Capture One and Leica Q2 crop mode

[reynoldsyoung]

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Capture One works very well with DNGs from the Q2....beautiful processing.  I find the big screen is  where composition refinement takes place.  Just me.

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[lukedavidkellett]

Sorry for responding to a semi old thread. 

I’m a bit bemused by the comments in here. With the Q2 you can legitimately use it as a 35mm lens almost permanently if you wish due to the resolution. I don’t know about everyone’s styles but how I shoot changes drastically if I have a 28mm or 35mm attaches to the camera you’ll use your feet differently and frame differently.

Therefore bringing the ‘intended’ crop into C1 make a lot of sense. Of course you can still Re crop which is unreal. But going through your edit after an assignment of shooting at 35mm to re crop would be torture and completely disorientating. 

This isn’t about it ‘being the same thing’ in post vs camera it’s a practical post production workflow topic. 

[pthean]

On 4/10/2019 at 7:41 PM, b_ben said:

I wanted to make sure that this could be fixed and made a script to retrieve the crop factor and apply it in Capture One. 2 goods news:

• It's possible! It works with a combination of Exiftool and Applescript (so, unfortunately, it doesn't work with the Windows version), and it integrates into the Capture One menus
• I release it as open-source, so that others can use it if they face the same issue: https://github.com/bezineb5/c1-crop-from-exif

Now, I just have to wait until B&H gets some  Q2 in stock... unless I finally go for a Q.

I hope this will help some of you!

Ben

Ben,

I have been looking for a solution and came across your post here. I use Capture One 20. Your script and directions worked perfectly!  Thank you so much!

I have 1 additional question on this topic. When I import DNGs from the Q2 into Capture One, I noticed that even with the 28mm non cropped mode, the picture is cropped slightly already. Do you happen to know why? And is that the true 28mm view?

 

Thanks again!

[b_ben]

54 minutes ago, pthean said:

Ben,

I have been looking for a solution and came across your post here. I use Capture One 20. Your script and directions worked perfectly!  Thank you so much!

I have 1 additional question on this topic. When I import DNGs from the Q2 into Capture One, I noticed that even with the 28mm non cropped mode, the picture is cropped slightly already. Do you happen to know why? And is that the true 28mm view?

 

Thanks again!

Glad it works for you!

For the question about the default crop, my guess (but I have no proof about it) is that it hides distorted areas. If you look into the panel Lens / Lens Correction, you can play around with settings like "Hide Distorted Areas" to see how much the original pixels are transformed. My guess is that Capture One adds a margin to remove highly transformed parts. I didn't check if it matches with the in-camera JPEG, though.

I hope this helps a bit!

Ben

[marchyman]

4 hours ago, pthean said:

When I import DNGs from the Q2 into Capture One, I noticed that even with the 28mm non cropped mode, the picture is cropped slightly already. Do you happen to know why? And is that the true 28mm view?

If you export an image without adding any additional cropping at full size you'll see that the standard "crop" is the size as specified for the Q2.  In my case I use a Q and the "crop" is the specified 6000x4000 size.  Capture one shows the "excess" pixels that the Q and Q2 capture to adjust for the lens curvature.  Lightroom does not show those pixels.  At least one other raw developer I tried -- forget which one -- displayed the entire image and did not apply the lens correction.  As a result the image size was about 6459 x 4101.  Bigger, but with distortion.

[manu35]

On 4/11/2019 at 1:41 AM, b_ben said:

Hi,

For the first time, I'm considering getting a Leica, as the Q2 looks very tempting... However, I was worried that the crop modes would not work with Capture One, which is a bit of a deal breaker. So, before purchasing one, I wanted to make sure that this could be fixed and made a script to retrieve the crop factor and apply it in Capture One. 2 goods news:

• It's possible! It works with a combination of Exiftool and Applescript (so, unfortunately, it doesn't work with the Windows version), and it integrates into the Capture One menus
• I release it as open-source, so that others can use it if they face the same issue: https://github.com/bezineb5/c1-crop-from-exif

Now, I just have to wait until B&H gets some  Q2 in stock... unless I finally go for a Q.

I hope this will help some of you!

Ben

Hi Ben, first of all, thanks for your script.

Do you know if C1 now supports crop mode by default ? (I'm still running C1 version 12).

Emmanuel

[hdmesa]

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On 1/3/2021 at 9:56 AM, manu35 said:

Hi Ben, first of all, thanks for your script.

Do you know if C1 now supports crop mode by default ? (I'm still running C1 version 12).

Emmanuel

It doesn’t on my Q2M. Unfortunately, this doesn’t seem to be a huge priority for the C1 team, or they would have done it already.

[manu35]

On 1/5/2021 at 4:17 AM, hdmesa said:

It doesn’t on my Q2M. Unfortunately, this doesn’t seem to be a huge priority for the C1 team, or they would have done it already.

Bad news indeed 😞

Thanks for your feedback.

[kirkmc]

Thanks for this. I recently got a Q2M and had been wondering about these crops.

[JS2020]

I've come across this thread as I've put a deposit down for Q2 but the crop mode is a key feature for me and I, like others here, use C1 and want the crops in crop mode to be imported as part of the process. This is critical so I need to think about either switching back from C1 to LR or else cancelling the order for the Q2. Are people still using the script workaround posted by b_ben successfully? I'll give it a go on some test images and see. Such a shame the limited support from C1, this is big selling point of the camera and effectively useless if it isn't preserved in C1. 

[gumbee]

I still use the script successfully on C1 V22.

[Ba Erv]

I don’t understand why you guys are going through all this script business with C1.  All you have to do is create a custom style with just the crop and apply it to your import. 

[gumbee]

For me it just reminds me that my original intent was to crop - without having to copy the jpg.  

[JS2020]

Interesting, thanks. I tried the script but got an error when trying to use it. Will try again. 

Agreed, my workflow would be to set 35mm in camera for a given period of time (maybe just a few shots, maybe a lot longer) and compose as 35mm. Then when I come to processing, which can be quite some time later, just import and process without having to think about which were supposed to be cropped or not. This is how LR works. 

I'll be regularly flagging this with C1 support and may even dump it altogether if I can't get the script working on C1 22. 

[JS2020]

Tried again, still getting an error when I click on the scipt in the script menu in C1..."The operation couldn’t be completed. /Users/JS/Library/Scripts/Capture One Scripts/Crop from EXIF.applescript:481:508: execution error: Capture One 22 got an error: sh: exiftool: command not found (127)". unfortunate. 

[ianforber]

5 hours ago, Ba Erv said:

I don’t understand why you guys are going through all this script business with C1.  All you have to do is create a custom style with just the crop and apply it to your import. 

Excellent point. I hadn’t thought of doing that but I only use the crop to inform composition while taking the picture, deciding on the best actual crop while processing. 

[Ba Erv]

3 hours ago, ianforber said:

Excellent point. I hadn’t thought of doing that but I only use the crop to inform composition while taking the picture, deciding on the best actual crop while processing. 

It just seemed like the simplest approach to me. I created two custom styles, a 35mm and a 50mm crop and labeled them appropriately.  I also made two output recipes that apply the correct crop pixel sizes.  The result mimics LR automated crop feature with just a mouse click. The only work was two minutes duplicating the crops initially and saving the style.

[JS2020]

Alright I might try this approach then. I don't actually know how to do custom styles. Any chance you can advise the steps for 35mm crop?

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[Ba Erv]

4 hours ago, JS2020 said:

Alright I might try this approach then. I don't actually know how to do custom styles. Any chance you can advise the steps for 35mm crop?

 

Import your image into C1 and use the crop tool to duplicate the 35, 50, 75mm crop from the jpg.  Keep in mind the export recipes affect size/pixel dimensions when viewing the cropped images.

 

https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002619518-Creating-a-Custom-Style

[Pelu2010]

On 4/11/2019 at 2:04 PM, jaapv said:

Leica uses DNG, which is an Adobe standard. it works best, in some cases, with Adobe products. C1 is always problematic, as Leica and Phase don't communicate.

I thought that C1 had an update and it could use the Leicas / sl2 and Sl2s and M11.