35mmview Posted April 11, 2019 Share #41 Posted April 11, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Removed mine. Couldn't find any reason not to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 Hi 35mmview, Take a look here The Leica M 10 and its plastic.... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
evikne Posted April 11, 2019 Share #42 Posted April 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, 35mmview said: Removed mine. Couldn't find any reason not to. There must be a reason. If the meaning was that we should peel it off, why is it so hard to remove? 😄 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted April 11, 2019 Author Share #43 Posted April 11, 2019 Actually: The longer you wait, the more difficult it is to removed without traces. Lenny Kravitz might have used this website and this is maybe how he got inspired for his camera: https://www.echotape.com/blog/ten-simple-solutions-to-remove-tape-residue/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonzo Posted April 11, 2019 Share #44 Posted April 11, 2019 Never thought, that I would still have the plastic on my M6 (bought in 1996). But after a check ... there it is! I don`t even realize the plastic and I didn`t over the years. I also have it on my M10 but not on my Monochrom, which I had bought used. On its baseplate I can see many signs of use (tripod etc.), much more than on any other part of the camera. Therefore I would say, that it makes sense to leave the plastic on the bottom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ricard Posted April 13, 2019 Share #45 Posted April 13, 2019 (edited) Of course the plastic should be removed. To not remove it, suggests you don't understand the importance of the attention to detail that went into the design of the camera. Every single aspect of the camera was designed with attention to appearance and feel. The camera looks good. And if feels good. The matte vs glossy finish, the chrome vs black, the leather covering, the metal surfaces, the fonts, the red dot...every single detail has a purpose and was carefully thought out and all of the details work beautifully together. Not one detail looks out of place when you are looking at a Leica body. The plastic strip on the bottom of the camera has nothing to do with the camera itself. It was likely put there to ensure that the camera wasn't scratched when someone was examining it in the store. It was not put on the camera by the design team. It was probably put there by something more akin to the camera returns department. Not only is it not a part of the camera design, but it actually violates cohesiveness of the look and feel of design of the camera. It reminds me a bit of a really old movie trailer. You can take an amazing film like The Godfather where every single line of dialog and every shot in the film is beautiful and has a purpose. And then you watch the original trailer.... It's horrible and has no real connection to the film itself. It's clearly not created by Coppola. It's not a work of art. It's just a gaudy sales piece created by some guy who has a totally different agenda than Coppola did when he made the film. That's what the plastic is like on the bottom of the camera. When you leave it on, in my view, you're just communicating that you have zero appreciation for the thought that went into what the camera is supposed to look and feel like. It's like you think the plastic strip is a part of the design rather than being something added after the camera was designed (by someone other than a designer). BTW, on my M10, not only did I remove the plastic from the bottom, but I also removed that sticker with all the odd letters on it (which was pretty difficult to do). Like the plastic, the sticker has nothing to do with the purposeful design of the camera. It's there because of some import law or something.... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited April 13, 2019 by John Ricard 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/296022-the-leica-m-10-and-its-plastic/?do=findComment&comment=3721292'>More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted April 13, 2019 Share #46 Posted April 13, 2019 Overthinking, much? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontick Posted April 13, 2019 Share #47 Posted April 13, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Bravo! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share #48 Posted April 13, 2019 (edited) vor 8 Stunden schrieb John Ricard: Of course the plastic should be removed. To not remove it, suggests you don't understand the importance of the attention to detail that went into the design of the camera. Every single aspect of the camera was designed with attention to appearance and feel. The camera looks good. And if feels good. The matte vs glossy finish, the chrome vs black, the leather covering, the metal surfaces, the fonts, the red dot...every single detail has a purpose and was carefully thought out and all of the details work beautifully together. Not one detail looks out of place when you are looking at a Leica body. The plastic strip on the bottom of the camera has nothing to do with the camera itself. It was likely put there to ensure that the camera wasn't scratched when someone was examining it in the store. It was not put on the camera by the design team. It was probably put there by something more akin to the camera returns department. Not only is it not a part of the camera design, but it actually violates cohesiveness of the look and feel of design of the camera. It reminds me a bit of a really old movie trailer. You can take an amazing film like The Godfather where every single line of dialog and every shot in the film is beautiful and has a purpose. And then you watch the original trailer.... It's horrible and has no real connection to the film itself. It's clearly not created by Coppola. It's not a work of art. It's just a gaudy sales piece created by some guy who has a totally different agenda than Coppola did when he made the film. That's what the plastic is like on the bottom of the camera. When you leave it on, in my view, you're just communicating that you have zero appreciation for the thought that went into what the camera is supposed to look and feel like. It's like you think the plastic strip is a part of the design rather than being something added after the camera was designed (by someone other than a designer). BTW, on my M10, not only did I remove the plastic from the bottom, but I also removed that sticker with all the odd letters on it (which was pretty difficult to do). Like the plastic, the sticker has nothing to do with the purposeful design of the camera. It's there because of some import law or something.... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Yes, I think this is a real good argument. The factor " art " " craftmanship " and appreciation for the concept of the Leica is important. But in defense of my own actions: I have an MP without plastic and an M240+ M10 with plastic bottom ( that even sounds wrong...). There is a psychological factor of acceptance and letting good ( let it be ) . The price and value of the camera especially a new camera is so high and great that it is difficult to let go of the fact, that it is mine entirely. The plastic on the bottom plate gives it a postponing feeling: Once the plastic is yours, you have to accept that you bought an incredible expensive camera and that you are not planning to let the camera go again... A few weeks ago a Leica owner said to me with proud: " I removed the plastic on the bottom plate of my M 10. " And I was a little proud of him. He, standing there, fully accepting the consequences of his deed. I admiring him for having the courage to take that extra large step: Taking full ownership and accepting that this camera was his forever. Thinking of this moment afterwards, I felt a little strange and decided to make this thread. Edited April 13, 2019 by Paulus 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted April 13, 2019 Share #49 Posted April 13, 2019 That piece of plastic is a distant cousin to photographic film and is family. Don't hurt it, please! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tragg Posted April 15, 2019 Share #50 Posted April 15, 2019 Started to peel off at the edges. Now it's gone. Couldn't care one way or the other... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted April 15, 2019 Share #51 Posted April 15, 2019 Am 13.4.2019 um 11:04 schrieb Paulus: Once the plastic is yours, you have to accept that you bought an incredible expensive camera... I accept that I bought an incredibly expensive camera once I get an SMS that my plastic was charged 6,000 quid. 🤣 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted April 15, 2019 Author Share #52 Posted April 15, 2019 vor 8 Minuten schrieb Chaemono: I accept that I bought an incredibly expensive camera once I get an SMS that my plastic was charged 6,000 quid. 🤣 Yes, I had this feeling with my Bike, not with my camera... I believe I'm not alone in this: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/296022-the-leica-m-10-and-its-plastic/?do=findComment&comment=3723018'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted April 15, 2019 Share #53 Posted April 15, 2019 It sounds like Jean-Paul Sartre removed the plastic from the bicycle frame. It makes sense, it had no inherent value, let alone some pre-existing one, once he had paid for the bike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted April 15, 2019 Author Share #54 Posted April 15, 2019 vor 2 Minuten schrieb Chaemono: It sounds like Jean-Paul Sartre removed the plastic from the bicycle frame. It makes sense, it had no inherent value, let alone some pre-existing one, once he had paid for the bike. There is no evidence, that Sartre had plastic on his bike.... I don't know if they used that in the 50's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted April 15, 2019 Share #55 Posted April 15, 2019 Maybe, but he would probably agree that everyone is free to choose whether to remove the plastic from the bottom plate or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted April 15, 2019 Share #56 Posted April 15, 2019 All plastic is to be controlled by the government. You may only remove it if everyone removes it equally. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted April 15, 2019 Share #57 Posted April 15, 2019 Plastic is still on mine. More to the point it's still in the box. Nothing to do with any false sense of collectability nor a play for future resale value. Simply a consequence of an RRS grip replacing it on the first day of ownership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted April 15, 2019 Share #58 Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) On 4/12/2019 at 8:18 PM, John Ricard said: Of course the plastic should be removed. To not remove it, suggests you don't understand the importance of the attention to detail that went into the design of the camera. Every single aspect of the camera was designed with attention to appearance and feel. The camera looks good. And if feels good. The matte vs glossy finish, the chrome vs black, the leather covering, the metal surfaces, the fonts, the red dot...every single detail has a purpose and was carefully thought out and all of the details work beautifully together. Not one detail looks out of place when you are looking at a Leica body. The plastic strip on the bottom of the camera has nothing to do with the camera itself. It was likely put there to ensure that the camera wasn't scratched when someone was examining it in the store. It was not put on the camera by the design team. It was probably put there by something more akin to the camera returns department. Not only is it not a part of the camera design, but it actually violates cohesiveness of the look and feel of design of the camera. It reminds me a bit of a really old movie trailer. You can take an amazing film like The Godfather where every single line of dialog and every shot in the film is beautiful and has a purpose. And then you watch the original trailer.... It's horrible and has no real connection to the film itself. It's clearly not created by Coppola. It's not a work of art. It's just a gaudy sales piece created by some guy who has a totally different agenda than Coppola did when he made the film. That's what the plastic is like on the bottom of the camera. When you leave it on, in my view, you're just communicating that you have zero appreciation for the thought that went into what the camera is supposed to look and feel like. It's like you think the plastic strip is a part of the design rather than being something added after the camera was designed (by someone other than a designer). BTW, on my M10, not only did I remove the plastic from the bottom, but I also removed that sticker with all the odd letters on it (which was pretty difficult to do). Like the plastic, the sticker has nothing to do with the purposeful design of the camera. It's there because of some import law or something.... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Doesn’t matter to me one way or the other, but it’s amusing to look at your scratched up bottom plate (and lens) after so much emphasis on appearance and detail. Maybe that was the intent. Jeff Edited April 15, 2019 by Jeff S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted April 15, 2019 Share #59 Posted April 15, 2019 5 hours ago, Paulus said: There is no evidence, that Sartre had plastic on his bike.... I don't know if they used that in the 50's. Hello Paulus, In the 1950's? There were bicycles way before the 1950's. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted April 16, 2019 Share #60 Posted April 16, 2019 vor 7 Stunden schrieb jdlaing: All plastic is to be controlled by the government. You may only remove it if everyone removes it equally. Ah, socialist egalitarianism. Nice. But only after Medicare for All has been introduced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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