Stuart Richardson Posted March 6, 2019 Author Share #41 Posted March 6, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Can you elaborate Stephan? Have you used it, or do you just not think it is a good update? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BernardC Posted March 6, 2019 Share #42 Posted March 6, 2019 I think that perhaps our friend is a natural pessimist. Myself, even though I have the "S Adapter L" (which I found at at very good price), I very rarely use it. The S lenses are great, that's not the issue, they are just so big on the SL, and the focal lengths/apertures are not that compelling. Over the past two years, I used the S 35mm once on the SL. That particular shot I couldn't step back any farther, and using a wider lens would have taken an element out of the foreground. I also used the 70mm once when my 75mm was on another camera. Frankly, if the S lenses don't work on the S1, it's not a big deal. The adapter is convenient, but it's not essential. It means I don't have to pack a 35 with the SL if I have the S handy, for instance. If I didn't have an aversion to zooms, I would get the 24-90 and never need to use an S lens on the SL. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephan_w Posted March 6, 2019 Share #43 Posted March 6, 2019 yes maybe I'm to pessimistic with the S-system. I use it for more than seven years now, and no, I don't want to elaborate all details here. But honestly I'm 😞 This said, as it seems that today and in the near future Leica will not be able to adress the most pressing problems of the S-system, for me it is crucial to get an adapter that works with the S-lenses. And as the SL has it's own problems, I put much hope that the S-lenses will work with one of the bodies of the SL-alliance, might it be the Panasonic or the Sigma (br....). There might be an iteration of the SL in the future that might work as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted March 6, 2019 Share #44 Posted March 6, 2019 5 hours ago, stephan_w said: There might be an iteration of the SL in the future that might work as well. We know that there will be an SL replacement, Leica officials have made that clear. I will be very surprised if the next SL is incompatible with the S Adapter L. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted March 6, 2019 Share #45 Posted March 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, BernardC said: We know that there will be an SL replacement, Leica officials have made that clear. I will be very surprised if the next SL is incompatible with the S Adapter L. Agree, anything else will come as a big, big surprise. Whether the S-lenses also will work on the Panasonic/Sigma bodies is something else. But I am optimistic (by nature... ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephan_w Posted March 14, 2019 Share #46 Posted March 14, 2019 Am 06.03.2019 um 21:27 schrieb helged: Agree, anything else will come as a big, big surprise. Whether the S-lenses also will work on the Panasonic/Sigma bodies is something else. But I am optimistic (by nature... ). we will see how far compatibility will go, also for M- and R-lenses. I don't want to buy a second SL :-( 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMKM Posted March 26, 2019 Share #47 Posted March 26, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Justed in a shop with LUMIX S1. BAD NEWS AUTOFOCUS DOES NOT WORK 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share #48 Posted March 26, 2019 14 minutes ago, TMKM said: Justed in a shop with LUMIX S1. BAD NEWS AUTOFOCUS DOES NOT WORK That's too bad. But can you see an image and change the aperture? If so, that alone could be helpful for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted March 26, 2019 Share #49 Posted March 26, 2019 22 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said: That's too bad. But can you see an image and change the aperture? If so, that alone could be helpful for me. I agree that manual focus of S-lenses on Pana S1/S1R should be fine (it certainly is for my use). I understand that the black-out on the T and CL bodies is (likely) linked to the battery power on these smaller bodies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMKM Posted March 26, 2019 Share #50 Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, helged said: I agree that manual focus of S-lenses on Pana S1/S1R should be fine (it certainly is for my use). I understand that the black-out on the T and CL bodies is (likely) linked to the battery power on these smaller bodies. manual focus with enlargement is supported 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted March 26, 2019 Share #51 Posted March 26, 2019 24 minutes ago, TMKM said: manual focus with enlargement is supported Then I am (almost) as happy as can be... Fine! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted March 26, 2019 Share #52 Posted March 26, 2019 2 hours ago, TMKM said: manual focus with enlargement is supported How about aperture control? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share #53 Posted March 27, 2019 On 3/26/2019 at 3:00 PM, ZHNL said: How about aperture control? I am still interested in this as well! It would be great to have a total confirmation before I spring for the S adapter L...it is more than half the price of an S1 on its own... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted March 27, 2019 Share #54 Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Stuart Richardson said: I am still interested in this as well! It would be great to have a total confirmation before I spring for the S adapter L...it is more than half the price of an S1 on its own... Same here. Though I most likely will pass the Panasonic and wait for SL2. Given SL2 will have better support for both M and S glasses not only at performance level also be able to record EXIF etc. I think Leica will introduce S3 for sure first before SL2 but I can wait. It makes a lot sense to stay within Leica Ecosystem. If I have SL glass, I might think differently but I don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share #55 Posted March 27, 2019 Agreed. My main interest is the S3, but I am interested in the S1 or S1R for video. I know the S3 will do it, but I imagine it will not do it as well as the Panasonic. Additionally, if the S3 is released at more than 20,000 USD, then I will likely wait until demo or used units are available, and it would be nice to have a camera like the S1 or S1R while I wait. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted March 27, 2019 Share #56 Posted March 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Stuart Richardson said: Agreed. My main interest is the S3, but I am interested in the S1 or S1R for video. I know the S3 will do it, but I imagine it will not do it as well as the Panasonic. Additionally, if the S3 is released at more than 20,000 USD, then I will likely wait until demo or used units are available, and it would be nice to have a camera like the S1 or S1R while I wait. Yes, for video, have a IBIS is no brainier. I am kind of happy with what i get from Z7 with Leica M glass. I hope Leica can consider that with SL2. This is quite a neat feature for many. You can always choose to bypass it if you don't like it. This should be a default feature now for any camera with Video even including S3 I'd day. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted April 1, 2019 Share #57 Posted April 1, 2019 On 3/26/2019 at 1:46 PM, TMKM said: manual focus with enlargement is supported As there a definitive answer on the aperture control yet? Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamquesada Posted April 1, 2019 Share #58 Posted April 1, 2019 On 3/26/2019 at 6:25 AM, TMKM said: Justed in a shop with LUMIX S1. BAD NEWS AUTOFOCUS DOES NOT WORK I wonder if it will be the same on the S1R, have there been any reports of the S1R having the same behavior? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted April 2, 2019 Share #59 Posted April 2, 2019 On 3/27/2019 at 4:13 AM, ZHNL said: Yes, for video, have a IBIS is no brainier. I am kind of happy with what i get from Z7 with Leica M glass. I hope Leica can consider that with SL2. This is quite a neat feature for many. You can always choose to bypass it if you don't like it. This should be a default feature now for any camera with Video even including S3 I'd day. IBIS is popular on consumer mirrorless/video cameras, but it is almost never found on professional video cameras. There are many reasons, I typically see three: Heat dissipation is worse with IBIS, making images noisier. That's why Panasonic removed IBIS from their video-centric 4/3 camera. You get bad artifacts when you reach the end of IBIS motion (hard stop and re-centre), which people find more objectionable than a little shake. There are better ways to keep a camera steady. IBIS is meant to help with arms-out shooting, but nobody does that with professional video cameras. It's not a position that one can hold for an extended amount of time, even with electronic help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted April 2, 2019 Share #60 Posted April 2, 2019 1 hour ago, BernardC said: IBIS is popular on consumer mirrorless/video cameras, but it is almost never found on professional video cameras. There are many reasons, I typically see three: Heat dissipation is worse with IBIS, making images noisier. That's why Panasonic removed IBIS from their video-centric 4/3 camera. You get bad artifacts when you reach the end of IBIS motion (hard stop and re-centre), which people find more objectionable than a little shake. There are better ways to keep a camera steady. IBIS is meant to help with arms-out shooting, but nobody does that with professional video cameras. It's not a position that one can hold for an extended amount of time, even with electronic help. Sometime, the only way keep camera stable is tripod which is not an option most of times. EVF based camera need IBIS more than OVF general speaking, and tele lens need it more than not. For handhold video shooting, it is a must feature IMHO. I was not a belieber of IBIS before with Sony A7rII, but Z7 totally change the way I think about it. And this is the first thing I notice if I pack Z7 and S together in field and switch use between the two. Anyway, I don’t expect S will have that, no expectation, no disappointment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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