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Hello all. I was just hoping that those of you who have the S adapter L can comment about how it might work on other L mount cameras. I have heard that it only works on the SL, not on the T or TL cameras. Clearly, it will still mount, but does it not function at all? Or does it allow you to adjust the aperture, but not the focus? I am just curious, about how it will work with regards to L mount cameras, including the Panasonic and Sigma cameras that will come to market. 

I spoke to Leica directly and they said that the S adapter L was not considered part of the L mount alliance, and that they do not know if it will work or not on other bodies. Also that the SL2 and S3 will be the best options for it (hard to disagree with that!). Still, if any of you have the adapter and plan on buying or trying the Panasonic cameras, I would love to hear if it works at all. I am mostly interested in the S1 or S1R for video and as a backup or alternative to my S006, but there does not seem to be much info out there, and I am not too keep to drop 1200 euros on an adapter based on speculation (since I do not have an SL). 

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26 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said:

Hello all. I was just hoping that those of you who have the S adapter L can comment about how it might work on other L mount cameras. I have heard that it only works on the SL, not on the T or TL cameras. Clearly, it will still mount, but does it not function at all? Or does it allow you to adjust the aperture, but not the focus? I am just curious, about how it will work with regards to L mount cameras, including the Panasonic and Sigma cameras that will come to market. 

I spoke to Leica directly and they said that the S adapter L was not considered part of the L mount alliance, and that they do not know if it will work or not on other bodies. Also that the SL2 and S3 will be the best options for it (hard to disagree with that!). Still, if any of you have the adapter and plan on buying or trying the Panasonic cameras, I would love to hear if it works at all. I am mostly interested in the S1 or S1R for video and as a backup or alternative to my S006, but there does not seem to be much info out there, and I am not too keep to drop 1200 euros on an adapter based on speculation (since I do not have an SL). 

The S-lenses through the S-adapter-L does not work on T/TL/CL; all you get is a black viewfinder/screen. So this is something that is hard-coded (or whatever) by purpose by Leica. Whether the S-adapter will work on the upcoming L-mount bodies is still too early to say, at least for us non-testers...

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Oh, that is interesting, thank you! I did not figure that you would get an all black screen. Does it close the shutter or aperture in the lens? I would have though that at the very least, you would be able to use them as a dumb adapter, just physically coupling the lens so that you could use it wide open (or if you trick the camera, set it to an aperture, stop down, and then remove the lens...that leaves the aperture at the stop you set). 

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11 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said:

Oh, that is interesting, thank you! I did not figure that you would get an all black screen. Does it close the shutter or aperture in the lens? I would have though that at the very least, you would be able to use them as a dumb adapter, just physically coupling the lens so that you could use it wide open (or if you trick the camera, set it to an aperture, stop down, and then remove the lens...that leaves the aperture at the stop you set). 

In theory, the dumb manual  adapter shall work with the Fuji GFX. It’s very easy to adapt lenses to the Fuji. 

Leica tend to decide for us what we need and want. 

Edited by ynp

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13 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said:

Oh, that is interesting, thank you! I did not figure that you would get an all black screen. Does it close the shutter or aperture in the lens? I would have though that at the very least, you would be able to use them as a dumb adapter, just physically coupling the lens so that you could use it wide open (or if you trick the camera, set it to an aperture, stop down, and then remove the lens...that leaves the aperture at the stop you set). 

With the S on the T/TL/CL, it looks like the body is switched off, implying no response at all, although the bodies are switched on. So it must be some coding kicking in somewhere, and absolutely no possibility to get the bodies working... 

Without knowing why, I could imagine that the APS-C bodies may not have as rigid mount as the SL. If so, the coding is there to prevent 'bending' of the mount on the small bodies. Pure speculation, obviously.... 

And yes, it is possible to presset the aperture of the S-mount lenses by removing the lens from the S-body while simultaneously pressing the DOF preview button on front of the body. I do this when I mount S-lenses onto Novoflex bellows for macro photography... 

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5 minutes ago, ynp said:

Thank you for the information. 

Very interesting. Is there an S Mount for the BALPRO?

Yes, that would be the next question! I had been looking for an S lens to other mount adapter, dumb or otherwise, but I have not found any. I think there was one Fotodiox one but it would not focus to infinity, which seems just like a mistake in their production...I wish they would fix it. I really wanted to use the S lenses for video on the A7S, but there just does not seem to be a ready-made solution. Perhaps I should ask SK Grimes...

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I will let you know. For the moment I want to see if I can do it natively (more or less) via the S adapter L and the Panasonic bodies. Perhaps they will not impose the same restrictions as Leica has. Of course, this could also be solved if Leica would release the S3 and SL2 soon at attainable prices! 

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1 hour ago, ynp said:

Thank you for the information. 

Very interesting. Is there an S Mount for the BALPRO?

Can easily be made - more tonight... 

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I ordered Panasonic S1 for use M, R and ZF glass on it. IF it can fit S glass with or without Autofocus (I do need aperture control) I'd happy to swap it to S1R in the future. 

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3 hours ago, ZHNL said:

I ordered Panasonic S1 for use M, R and ZF glass on it. IF it can fit S glass with or without Autofocus (I do need aperture control) I'd happy to swap it to S1R in the future. 

Will it definetely work with M lenses? It is all manual and no electronic connections so should work but my worry what if the firmware stops it

 

Do we know if any other manual lens can be adapted?

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S-lenses - in fully manual mode - can be added to e.g. the Novoflex Balpro Bellows (https://www.novoflexus.com/products/macro-solutions/bellows-adapters/novoflex-balpro-1.htm or https://www.novoflexus.com/products/macro-solutions/bellows-adapters/novoflex-balpro-t-s.htm; I use the latter), by

  1) extending the M39 opening of the PROLEI bellows-to-lens adapter disk (https://www.novoflexus.com/products/macro-solutions/bellows-adapters/novoflex-prolei.htm) or the microscope opening of the PROMIC adapter disk (https://www.novoflexus.com/products/macro-solutions/bellows-adapters/novoflex-promik.htm) to a little more than 60mm (=the diameter of the rear element of S120), or by using the PROMAM Mamiya M645 adapter disk (https://www.novoflexus.com/products/macro-solutions/bellows-adapters/novoflex-promam.htm). The main point here is to have an opening slightly larger than the rear element of e.g. the S120mm (which has a diameter of approx 60mm).

 2) Photodiox makes Leica S metal lens caps (https://fotodioxpro.com/products/cap-rear-ls-pro) that fits exactly into the above mentioned Novoflex bellows adapter disks. By drilling a sufficiently large hole in the Photodiox cap (diameter of slightly more than 60mm for the S120), followed by fixing the Photodiox adapter to the PROLEI adapter by, say, 6 small (but secure) metal screws and nuts; the S-lens is ready to be mounted onto the Novoflex Bellows. Some (evenly put) glue may be put between the Novoflex adapter disk and the Photodiox lens cap, for extra security.

Note:

Firstly, the Photodiox cap locks the S-lens reasonably tight/well, but it does not have any locking mechanism. So one has to be a little careful or, alternatively, adding a DIY locking mechanism to the Photodiox cap to be absolutely sure that the lens doesn't rotate out of the Photodiox cap...

Secondly, the above procedure will not ensure absolute, horizontal alignment of the S-adapter (=the Photodiox Leica S metal cap) and the sensor. This is not a problem for my type of macro photography (3-d objects like flowers), but it can be a problem for reproduction photography where sharpness across the image is required.

Thirdly, one is left with a truly manual S-lens. The aperture of the lens is, by default, set wide open. But the aperture can be preset by choosing the desire aperture when the lens is mounted on a S-body, e.g. f8-ish for optimal image quality, followed by removing the S-lens while pressing the DOF preview button on front of the body.

I am not sure that I will broadly recommend the above procedure ;) - but there you are...

Clearly, a dedicated S-adapter with a lens fixation mechanism would be preferable compared to using the Photodiox Leica S metal lens cap described above. Hands-up if/when someone comes up with a (manual) S-adapter...

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15 minutes ago, can-photo said:

Will it definetely work with M lenses? It is all manual and no electronic connections so should work but my worry what if the firmware stops it

 

Do we know if any other manual lens can be adapted?

I think M is not an issue as you said even dumb adapter will do. I think a recent BH video on S show that they use M lens on S1R, it works fine though I don’t know if it will communicate with body for exif. 

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28 minutes ago, ZHNL said:

I think M is not an issue as you said even dumb adapter will do. I think a recent BH video on S show that they use M lens on S1R, it works fine though I don’t know if it will communicate with body for exif. 

That's really good I haven't seen that thank you , I'm not too worried about camera exif or software lens corrections as it is quite minimal with M lenses anyway

I think that would be a great camera.

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6 hours ago, ZHNL said:

I think M is not an issue as you said even dumb adapter will do. I think a recent BH video on S show that they use M lens on S1R, it works fine though I don’t know if it will communicate with body for exif. 

Any idea about edge and corner performance of wide M glass on the Panasonics?

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1 hour ago, alan.y said:

Any idea about edge and corner performance of wide M glass on the Panasonics?

We just have to wait. My concern will be corner color cast as non BSI design. If it is anywhere as good as Z7, it might replace Z for me. And if it take S, it for sure will replace anything out there for me other than M LOL

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11 hours ago, helged said:

S-lenses - in fully manual mode - can be added to e.g. the Novoflex Balpro Bellows (https://www.novoflexus.com/products/macro-solutions/bellows-adapters/novoflex-balpro-1.htm or https://www.novoflexus.com/products/macro-solutions/bellows-adapters/novoflex-balpro-t-s.htm; I use the latter), by

  1) extending the M39 opening of the PROLEI bellows-to-lens adapter disk (https://www.novoflexus.com/products/macro-solutions/bellows-adapters/novoflex-prolei.htm) or the microscope opening of the PROMIC adapter disk (https://www.novoflexus.com/products/macro-solutions/bellows-adapters/novoflex-promik.htm) to a little more than 60mm (=the diameter of the rear element of S120), or by using the PROMAM Mamiya M645 adapter disk (https://www.novoflexus.com/products/macro-solutions/bellows-adapters/novoflex-promam.htm). The main point here is to have an opening slightly larger than the rear element of e.g. the S120mm (which has a diameter of approx 60mm).

 2) Photodiox makes Leica S metal lens caps (https://fotodioxpro.com/products/cap-rear-ls-pro) that fits exactly into the above mentioned Novoflex bellows adapter disks. By drilling a sufficiently large hole in the Photodiox cap (diameter of slightly more than 60mm for the S120), followed by fixing the Photodiox adapter to the PROLEI adapter by, say, 6 small (but secure) metal screws and nuts; the S-lens is ready to be mounted onto the Novoflex Bellows. Some (evenly put) glue may be put between the Novoflex adapter disk and the Photodiox lens cap, for extra security.

Note:

Firstly, the Photodiox cap locks the S-lens reasonably tight/well, but it does not have any locking mechanism. So one has to be a little careful or, alternatively, adding a DIY locking mechanism to the Photodiox cap to be absolutely sure that the lens doesn't rotate out of the Photodiox cap...

Secondly, the above procedure will not ensure absolute, horizontal alignment of the S-adapter (=the Photodiox Leica S metal cap) and the sensor. This is not a problem for my type of macro photography (3-d objects like flowers), but it can be a problem for reproduction photography where sharpness across the image is required.

Thirdly, one is left with a truly manual S-lens. The aperture of the lens is, by default, set wide open. But the aperture can be preset by choosing the desire aperture when the lens is mounted on a S-body, e.g. f8-ish for optimal image quality, followed by removing the S-lens while pressing the DOF preview button on front of the body.

I am not sure that I will broadly recommend the above procedure ;) - but there you are...

Clearly, a dedicated S-adapter with a lens fixation mechanism would be preferable compared to using the Photodiox Leica S metal lens cap described above. Hands-up if/when someone comes up with a (manual) S-adapter...

Wonderful, Helge!

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3 hours ago, ZHNL said:

We just have to wait. My concern will be corner color cast as non BSI design. If it is anywhere as good as Z7, it might replace Z for me. And if it take S, it for sure will replace anything out there for me other than M LOL

I am just waiting for the Sigma L mount camera with foveon. My dream camera. True RGB, albeit, not as pure as the older Merrill...

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1 hour ago, xiaubauu2009 said:

I am just waiting for the Sigma L mount camera with foveon. My dream camera. True RGB, albeit, not as pure as the older Merrill...

Yes, a Foveon-like ff sensor + the SL-primes; very, very interesting, indeed...

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