Is the S1/S1R a good backup camera for SL

[michali]

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S1R ordered. Waiting for Panasonic's stock to arrive in South Africa, they tell me it should be in the next week to 10 days.

I'm planning to use it with the SL 90-280mm for wildlife work. I'll report back once everything's in hand.

Best,

Mike

 

 

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[caissa]

About the performance of the S 24-105 Macro lens from Panasonic with S1R.   https://diglloyd.com/blog/2019/20190409_1322-PanasonicS1R-PanasonicL24_105f4-aseries-99mm-mosaic.html

[caissa]

A tutorial for the Lumix S cameras, more than an hour.  

 

[caissa]

Ten days with the S1, an experience report.  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XI4xAsiImLQ

 

[caissa]

Steve Huff has published a comparison between S1 and SL. At first sight it sounds interesting, but it is soon visible that this is one of the most useless comparisons around. Who would use the SL at ISO 50000 or 25000 ? Nobody because the result is clear. So why does he do a high iso comparison ? Furthermore the new cameras have IBIS, so it is never necessary to go for anything higher than 1600 iso under even the worst circumstances. (After all there is also the possibility to use flash.) 

So he probably did it to get more clicks. So I add the link, but do not really recommend the contents (just silly click bait), sorry.   http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2019/04/06/the-panasonic-s1-vs-leica-sl-high-iso-test/

He also comes to the conclusion that he likes M lenses better on the S1 than SL. But most testers have warned that M lenses are not well supported on the S1/R (sensor glass and correction functions). We will see who is right in the end. (If this is more than a superficial impression).

Edited April 10, 2019 by caissa

[caissa]

Here the S1 with M lenses (and EF lenses), as seen by Steve Huff. (Well, better than nothing, but in my eyes not as reliable as Reid Reviews).  He uses the Novoflex adapter for the M lenses, so of course he cannot test if the real M lenses are recognized (also because he has mainly Voigtlaender lenses). But we know already from Thighslapper that they are not.   http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2019/04/07/the-panasonic-s1-with-leica-m-lenses-canon-ef-as-well/

Edited April 10, 2019 by caissa

[caissa]

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Another review.  https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/reviews/panasonic-lumix-s1-r-review

[caissa]

The above review also contains lab measurement results of S1R signal to noise and DR and a comparison of S1R with rivals Z7, a7R iii and GFX. So it contains food for some of the ongoing discussions if this sensor is good enough for the coming SL2. (For readers who like to split hairs across sensor technical data.)

The thing I found amazing: They were not clever enough to notice that the existing seven Leica SL lenses can be used, and that many other lenses can be easily adapted (R, M, EF, etc.).

Edited April 12, 2019 by caissa

[thighslapper]

1 hour ago, caissa said:

The above review also contains lab measurement results of S1R signal to noise and DR and a comparison of S1R with rivals Z7, a7R iii and GFX. So it contains food for some of the ongoing discussions if this sensor is good enough for the coming SL2. (For readers who like to split hairs across sensor technical data.)

The thing I found amazing: They were not clever enough to notice that the existing seven Leica SL lenses can be used, and that many other lenses can be easily adapted (R, M, EF, etc.).

On the first point ....... a very vocal poster on the forum has regularly been slagging off the sensor performance ...... this (and there is info elsewhere) seems to suggest that despite the increased resolution it performs as well, if not better, than the current competition.

As you say on the second ..... they miss the whole point of the L Alliance ...... lens choice will be far greater, far quicker than most other FF digital systems .... and offer better quality optics. 

[caissa]

S1R with adapted lenses.  

 

[caissa]

There are several tutorials available on YouTube for the Lumix S cameras, made by Panasonic.  https://m.youtube.com/user/PanasonicLumixVideo

[Teddy69]

Am 10.4.2019 um 16:41 schrieb caissa:

Steve Huff has published a comparison between S1 and SL. At first sight it sounds interesting, but it is soon visible that this is one of the most useless comparisons around. Who would use the SL at ISO 50000 or 25000 ? Nobody because the result is clear. So why does he do a high iso comparison ? Furthermore the new cameras have IBIS, so it is never necessary to go for anything higher than 1600 iso under even the worst circumstances. (After all there is also the possibility to use flash.) 

So he probably did it to get more clicks. So I add the link, but do not really recommend the contents (just silly click bait), sorry.   http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2019/04/06/the-panasonic-s1-vs-leica-sl-high-iso-test/

He also comes to the conclusion that he likes M lenses better on the S1 than SL. But most testers have warned that M lenses are not well supported on the S1/R (sensor glass and correction functions). We will see who is right in the end. (If this is more than a superficial impression).

This is not only a comparison at 25000 or 50000 iso but also at 6400 or 12800 and S1 looks much better . 

[caissa]

A critical M lens adapted to the S1R, the Summicron M 2.0/28mm. Measured by diglloyd, so probably serious work. But unfortunately not for free.   https://diglloyd.com/blog/2019/20190412_1400-PanasonicS1R-LeicaM28f2aseries-mosaic.html

Edited April 12, 2019 by caissa

[caissa]

Several rangefinder lenses with M mount tested on the S1R by diglloyd.

https://diglloyd.com/blog/2019/20190412_1400-PanasonicS1R-LeicaM28f2-aseries-mosaic.html

https://diglloyd.com/blog/2019/20190412_1500-PanasonicS1R-ZeissZM50f2-mosaic.html

https://diglloyd.com/prem/s/LEICA/LeicaM/lens-Leica18f3_8-aseries-mosaic-PanasonicS1R.html?dglyPT=true

[caissa]

Diglloyd summarizes here that some critical M lenses are not great on the S1R (contrary to the opinion of some readers). More details to be found on his website for paying readers.   https://diglloyd.com/blog/2019/20190404_1202-PanasonicS1R-LeicaMLenses-ZeissZMLenses.html

In the meantime he has tested several M and ZM lenses. Though some lenses are not too good (not as good as on an M) the results look still fine (to me) on the web, because of the really high resolution available with the new camera ...  😎

Summary. All serious tests show clearly that using SL lenses (or other Lmount lenses) is the most reasonable thing to do to get best IQ from this camera. Even if M lenses are smaller and lighter, many of them cannot be recommended for the S1R. And also for the Sony alphas, the Zs, the GFX, X1D, etc.  (even though many are using them quite happily)

Edited April 13, 2019 by caissa

[Jenningsmca]

1 hour ago, caissa said:

Diglloyd summarizes here that some critical M lenses are not great on the S1R (contrary to the opinion of some readers). More details to be found on his website for paying readers.   https://diglloyd.com/blog/2019/20190404_1202-PanasonicS1R-LeicaMLenses-ZeissZMLenses.html

In the meantime he has tested several M and ZM lenses. Though some lenses are not too good (not as good as on an M) the results look still fine (to me) on the web, because of the really high resolution available with the new camera ...  😎

Summary. All serious tests show clearly that using SL lenses (or other Lmount lenses) is the most reasonable thing to do to get best IQ from this camera. Even if M lenses are smaller and lighter, many of them cannot be recommended for the S1R. And also for the Sony alphas, the Zs, the GFX, X1D, etc.  (even though many are using them quite happily)

I am not paying $90.oo to find out the answer.

[jrp]

The lens that you have with you is the best lens available...  if you are a packhorse, you’ll get better pictures. 

[caissa]

For people who do not like technical reviews, here an unboxing and first impressions of S1 plus 24-105 kit lens.   https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw_3F3IHXKE

Gives a good impression of the camera, its looks and its nice packaging - but of course not as nice as a genuine Leica.  😊😉

 

Edited April 13, 2019 by caissa

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[tom0511]

I am not sure if I wanted to use a S1/S1r a lot with M lenses. IMO the body is quite big for such small lenses. So I would rather use the M or SL for M lenses.

That doesnt mean that I occasionally would also use a M lens on it, but I dont see much reason to buy a s1 to mainly use M-lenses. I would rather get a M10, or SL.

 

[ron777]

22 minutes ago, tom0511 said:

I am not sure if I wanted to use a S1/S1r a lot with M lenses. IMO the body is quite big for such small lenses. So I would rather use the M or SL for M lenses.

That doesnt mean that I occasionally would also use a M lens on it, but I dont see much reason to buy a s1 to mainly use M-lenses. I would rather get a M10, or SL.

 

The S1/S1R are fairly close in size and heft to that of the SL.  In fact, from the front view, and without the buttons and dials, it almost appears as if the S camera bodies had been copied from the SL.  Therefore, with an M lens mounted on either (SL or S1R) they appear out of place.  I must add that since having moved from the M bodies to the SL, and now the S1R, I rarely use the M lenses.

Edited April 14, 2019 by ron777