spako Posted October 27, 2019 Share #61 Posted October 27, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well the screenshots wont upload ☺️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 27, 2019 Posted October 27, 2019 Hi spako, Take a look here Leica M9 Corrosion with New Sensor. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
spako Posted October 27, 2019 Share #62 Posted October 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, silverchrome said: That wasn't what I meant. It wasn't a personal attack etc. I was simply saying that is how it is around here. No problem, i get that, and i can understand that people need proof, i just strongly believe that either my new sensor corroded, or i got an old type sensor which was coded as a new type one... not sure if the dropbox link will work... https://www.dropbox.com/sh/alatxfmy6z7pjww/AAAmfsWsm3qNhIWzKnpwPhlla?dl=0 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverchrome Posted October 27, 2019 Share #63 Posted October 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, spako said: No problem, i get that, and i can understand that people need proof, i just strongly believe that either my new sensor corroded, or i got an old type sensor which was coded as a new type one... not sure if the dropbox link will work... https://www.dropbox.com/sh/alatxfmy6z7pjww/AAAmfsWsm3qNhIWzKnpwPhlla?dl=0 Link works fine. I can see halos and that usually indicates corrosion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spako Posted October 27, 2019 Share #64 Posted October 27, 2019 The last picture hasnt uploaded fully yet, this one shows streaks, which look really weird, not just spots... to mee it looked suspicciously like the corrosion i had on the previous sensor... and the reseller suspected as much himself...i didnt get any info regarding the results of wetzlars inspection of my sensor, only the upgrade options proposed. Which is also a weird thing to do when the problem at hand isnt corrosion wouldnt you think? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a5m Posted October 27, 2019 Share #65 Posted October 27, 2019 4 hours ago, spako said: ...either my new sensor corroded, or i got an old type sensor which was coded as a new type one... 4 hours ago, spako said: ...i didnt get any info regarding the results of wetzlars inspection of my sensor, only the upgrade options proposed. Which is also a weird thing to do when the problem at hand isnt corrosion wouldnt you think? Sounds like what you speculated may have happened, where you got a old sensor wrongly coded as new. Possible explanation for why Leica was mum about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwctoys Posted November 21, 2019 Share #66 Posted November 21, 2019 I recently purchased from UsedPhotoPro a Leica M9 listed as bad sensor. I took the camera apart and photographed the sensor under a microscope. The "corrosion" as Leica calls it is quite evident by the photograph to be separation in the IR Filter. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/293305-leica-m9-corrosion-with-new-sensor/?do=findComment&comment=3859044'>More sharing options...
iwctoys Posted November 21, 2019 Share #67 Posted November 21, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) The sensor in question. As someone who has repaired cameras since 1971 I have never seen anything as bad as this without a major Recall off ALL Leica M9 camera. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/293305-leica-m9-corrosion-with-new-sensor/?do=findComment&comment=3859046'>More sharing options...
pedaes Posted November 21, 2019 Share #68 Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) Can you please quote a total recall of all xyz cameras by any manufacturer, to substantiate your comment? Welcome to the forum, and always good to start with a "issue"! Edited November 21, 2019 by pedaes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwctoys Posted November 21, 2019 Share #69 Posted November 21, 2019 Maybe this is the problem with photo industry. Camera companies hide issue the camera companies know as inherited problem. Nikon was forced through a class action suit to replace Nikon D600 with D610. Can you imagine a automotive company getting away with this. People paid HUGE sums for these cameras. What they got sadly for many was a junk sensor. Today here in Canada Leica is charging $2000 Canadian dollars to replace the sensor. This is a plain case to force Leica through a class action suit to REPLACE all Leica M9 cameras. The value of the M9 has fallen greatly because of the "corrosion" . 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted November 21, 2019 Share #70 Posted November 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, iwctoys said: Maybe this is the problem with photo industry. Camera companies hide issue the camera companies know as inherited problem. Nikon was forced through a class action suit to replace Nikon D600 with D610. Can you imagine a automotive company getting away with this. People paid HUGE sums for these cameras. What they got sadly for many was a junk sensor. Today here in Canada Leica is charging $2000 Canadian dollars to replace the sensor. This is a plain case to force Leica through a class action suit to REPLACE all Leica M9 cameras. The value of the M9 has fallen greatly because of the "corrosion" . Replace all M9 cameras with what? I am VERY happy with my M9 with new corrosion proof sensor replaced for free and do not want to swap it. Many of us value the rendering of the CCD sensor. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwctoys Posted November 21, 2019 Share #71 Posted November 21, 2019 If I was to take a wild quess what caused these problems HEAT. CCD sensor produce a lot of head. I have seen CMOS sensors get so hot they melted solder on the rear of the sensor. Fuji S5 Pro had live view that lasted 20 sec before it was shut off. Reason CCD cameras do not have live view. Leica did not tell people real reason this was happening. Is my sensor a one and only to exhibit this. I do not know. There was no evidence of water damage in this camera. The parts of this camera can be seen on Ebay under digital camera parts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwctoys Posted November 21, 2019 Share #72 Posted November 21, 2019 Replace all M9 cameras with what? I am VERY happy with my M9 with new corrosion proof sensor replaced for free and do not want to swap it. Many of us value the rendering of the CCD sensor. Who is going to say this is not going to keep on happening on M9. I have NEVER heard of one camera manufacture list sensor corrosion as a problem. Lots of cameras have been converted to infrared with no corrosion problems. People remove IR filters and have no corrosion problems. SENSORS DO NOT CORRODE. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted November 21, 2019 Share #73 Posted November 21, 2019 I think 'corrosion' was just a term used. Mine was replaced for a crack in the (very thin) cover glass used on the original sensor, now revised. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/293305-leica-m9-corrosion-with-new-sensor/?do=findComment&comment=3859082'>More sharing options...
iwctoys Posted November 21, 2019 Share #74 Posted November 21, 2019 I think 'corrosion' was just a term used. Mine was replaced for a crack in the (very thin) cover glass used on the original sensor, now revised. Have never seen a IR filter crack other than by impact or bad cleaning. Try fixing some 1000 cameras a year. I have seen it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwctoys Posted November 21, 2019 Share #75 Posted November 21, 2019 To give you some idea if I am having an off day it might take me 45 min to replace a sensor in a Leica M9. Leica says they "rebuild the cameras. There is nothing to rebuild in a digital cameras. Camera shop no longer do overhauls of digital cameras. Not like we days in age film cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted November 21, 2019 Share #76 Posted November 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, iwctoys said: To give you some idea if I am having an off day it might take me 45 min to replace a sensor in a Leica M9. Leica says they "rebuild the cameras. There is nothing to rebuild in a digital cameras. Camera shop no longer do overhauls of digital cameras. Not like we days in age film cameras. I am not sure what this is about, but my understanding is the sensor and motherboard are a pre matched pair, and Leica always changes them as a pair/unit. The sensor is then aligned with shims and I would not want anyone touching my cameras who didn't have the electronic test equipment to measure this and correctly align the sensor. The covering of course gets destroyed (stretched) and needs replacement also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted November 21, 2019 Share #77 Posted November 21, 2019 22 minutes ago, iwctoys said: I think 'corrosion' was just a term used. Mine was replaced for a crack in the (very thin) cover glass used on the original sensor, now revised. Have never seen a IR filter crack other than by impact or bad cleaning. Try fixing some 1000 cameras a year. I have seen it all. It is not a IR filter - its a thin cover glass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwctoys Posted November 21, 2019 Share #78 Posted November 21, 2019 I am not sure what this is about, but my understanding is the sensor and motherboard are a pre matched pair, and Leica always changes them as a pair/unit. The sensor is then aligned with shims and I would not want anyone touching my cameras who didn't have the electronic test equipment to measure this and correctly align the sensor. The covering of course gets destroyed (stretched) and needs replacement also. Board and sensors are not matches. There are shims under the sensor. Hate to tell you this this is not rocket science. M9 is probably easiest digital camera to work on. Try a Nikon D850. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted November 21, 2019 Share #79 Posted November 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, iwctoys said: I am not sure what this is about, but my understanding is the sensor and motherboard are a pre matched pair, and Leica always changes them as a pair/unit. The sensor is then aligned with shims and I would not want anyone touching my cameras who didn't have the electronic test equipment to measure this and correctly align the sensor. The covering of course gets destroyed (stretched) and needs replacement also. Board and sensors are not matches. There are shims under the sensor. Hate to tell you this this is not rocket science. M9 is probably easiest digital camera to work on. Try a Nikon D850. Board and sensors are not matches They are matched in Leicaland! I'm now out - anyone else want to play? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwctoys Posted November 21, 2019 Share #80 Posted November 21, 2019 So your telling me when Leica replace a CCD they replace a main board. Align a sensor, depth gauge from lens flange to sensor. Sorry my sources inside Leica confirm only CCD is replaced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now