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Leica M9 Corrosion with New Sensor

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Hello everyone, I wanted to ask a question, for curiosity, no one had corrosion problems on M9 sensors replaced after 2017 ??

I ask this because in Italy someone without proof states that the modified sensors will have the same problems as the originals. Truth or Madness as I think? 

 

Ciao

 

Giacomo

 

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There seems to be some amount of hysteria concerning this issue.

I have seen a few reports of the new sensors having corrosion issue. It turns out all such reports were not true.

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I agree, among other things I had read that in addition to the sensor was also updated something on the motherboard if I'm not mistaken. It was thought that in addition to the sensor glass, a cause was the overheating of the sensor itself. 

Ciao

Giacomo

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I experienced the corrosion issue on two bodies, one I kept and continue to use with the updated sensor. So this is something I am on the lookout for when I read posts in forums where Leica Ms are discussed. So far I have experienced no re-occurrence myself, nor have I read a report of anyone else experiencing the issue with the updated sensor.  Early on the corroded sensors were replaced with one of the same design.  In that case re-occurrence was possible.

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in Italy someone insinuates on the forums of the brand that nothing has been solved because the sensor has not been redesigned and the problems will soon come out, but there is certainly no proof that this bizarre theory proves.

 

Ciao 

Giacomo

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Total BS. The sensor was redesigned - at least, the cover glass, which is the part that corrodes.

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9 minutes ago, Giacomo.B said:

I agree, among other things I had read that in addition to the sensor was also updated something on the motherboard if I'm not mistaken. It was thought that in addition to the sensor glass, a cause was the overheating of the sensor itself. 

Ciao

Giacomo

The sensor and motherboard are one unit that is always replaced in a single part.

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My M9 had the sensor replaced in February 2017, the second time. So far no problem, nor do I expect one.

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Why OP thinks this somewhere in Italy source is valid at all?

 

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Maybe he found an older blog or post. The new, corrosion-proof., sensor took about a year to develop. During that year  Leica did indeed fit corrosion-prone sensors as a stopgap. I seem to recall -somebody please confirm- that the fitting  of such a sensor does trigger a new five-year sensor guaranty.

 

 

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4 hours ago, jaapv said:

Maybe he found an older blog or post. The new, corrosion-proof., sensor took about a year to develop. During that year  Leica did indeed fit corrosion-prone sensors as a stopgap. I seem to recall -somebody please confirm- that the fitting  of such a sensor does trigger a new five-year sensor guaranty.

 

 

Just a clarification: does that "new five-year sensor guaranty" refer to the latest, corrosion-proof, sensor? If yes, was there a similar term for the previous sensors? Does any happen to know? I'd be glad to hear, for I have been affected by a second ('old') sensor corrosion fault.

Paul

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 I *think* that it referred to the earlier replacement sensors as well.

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On 1/18/2019 at 3:43 AM, jaapv said:

I seem to recall -somebody please confirm- that the fitting  of such a sensor does trigger a new five-year sensor guaranty.

Good question - does anyone know for sure if a warranty is given when the new sensor is replaced, corrosion-proof or the otherwise?

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7 hours ago, goatsby said:

Good question - does anyone know for sure if a warranty is given when the new sensor is replaced, corrosion-proof or the otherwise?

Leica state that a 12-month warranty is included when a sensor swap is paid for.

What happens beyond that is anyone's guess.

I guess that means if the sensor swap was free, you get nothing at all.

It isn't really an issue unless the newly developed sensor starts rotting as well.

 

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4 hours ago, jaapv said:

Where do they say so?

http://us.leica-camera.com/World-of-Leica/Leica-News/Global/2018/CCD-sensors-of-the-Leica-M9-M9-P-M-Monochrom-and-M-E-camera-models

 

Yes, the part relating to the warranty is ambiguous.  I have interpreted it to mean a warranty is included only if the new sensor was paid for.

One of the reasons I have interpreted it this way is that Leica only offers warranties on paid repairs, no?

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

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Well, if the repair was unpaid it stands to reason that second one should be so as well - within a certain time, of course.

The guaranty is not that ambiguous: "on the same terms as a new camera" New cameras have one year and five on the sensor.

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11 hours ago, jaapv said:

Well, if the repair was unpaid it stands to reason that second one should be so as well - within a certain time, of course.

The guaranty is not that ambiguous: "on the same terms as a new camera" New cameras have one year and five on the sensor.

 

Where does it say that the new sensor gets 5 years?


We might imply be able to imply that a 5-year warranty is included, because Leica determined 5 years as a suitable length of warranty for the original sensor, but that doesn't mean it is fact and true.  I remain unconvinced because Leica has broken promises in the past: didn't Leica issue a statement saying corroded sensors of all ages would be replaced free of charge in 2016 and then suddenly mae the repair chargeable in 2017?  If Leica can break a promise in respect of an unambiguous published written statement, I do not hold out much hope on a term that has to be implied!

 

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Also, given Leica's policy on free repairs, I'm not convinced that unpaid repairs are given a warranty either.
 

The words that state a 1-year warranty is included may indeed be unambiguous but the paragraph containing those words follows the payment information.

It is that that gives rise to ambiguity. Not the words themselves.

I own an M9 and it would be great if there was a 5-year warranty on the sensor, but all of the above plus Leica's behaviour in respect of this debacle suggests otherwise. To me at least.

 

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Typos. Using a phone, sorry.

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