wlaidlaw Posted January 8, 2019 Share #1 Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) My 28 ASPH Summicron needs to go off for repair. At some point prior to my ownership, someone has tried to tighten the front section of this lens with an incorrect tool and chewed up the tiny grub screws totally. I can get one undone to replace but I am not even going to attempt the other two in case I make them even worse. The front section is now very rattly and I suspect, close to coming unscrewed, which is an issue I know others have had with this lens. I have a small Contax GG1 hood fitted, so that I can mount and unmount without torquing the front section. While it is away with Malcolm Taylor, which will not be a rapid turn around (good rather than quick), I thought I might try a 7Artisans 28mm/f1,4, bought from Hamish Gill at 35MMC for a massive £405 for a new lens (it is the improved version with less flare). It arrived this morning. It is nicely presented, especially considering the price. It is all metal construction and seems well made. The focus ring moves more smoothly than some new Leica lenses I have bought. The aperture ring is also smooth with quite gentle detents, that may become more definite with use. Now it is not a Summilux by any stretch of the imagination and at f1.4, the corners are quite soft but harden up by f2.8. One is given a screwdriver and instructions to make minor rotation adjustments of the RF cam, relative to the lens body for accuracy. Mine as delivered, was quite a bit out but using focus peaking on my M240 and a few tweaks, on my A3+ size focus chart, soon had it adjusted. Will I keep it after I get my Summicron back - not sure? I will have to see how it stacks up in practice and use but it certain is remarkable value for £405 (with the January discount). FYI it takes a 52mm hood and filters. Even though it is the improved version with markedly improved flare resistance, it is still somewhat prone to veiling glare and really needs to be used with a hood. Wilson Edited January 8, 2019 by wlaidlaw Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted January 8, 2019 Share #2 Posted January 8, 2019 2 hours ago, wlaidlaw said: I thought I might try a 7Artisans 28mm/f1,4, bought from Hamish Gill at 35MMC for a massive £405 for a new lens (it is the improved version with less flare) [...] Interesting thank you. Is there a way to recognize the new version? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaeger Posted January 8, 2019 Share #3 Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) it would be an interesting lens, please share your finding. It's funny that 28 f/1.4 price higher than the 50 f/1.1, it was like whatever. Thanks! Edited January 8, 2019 by jaeger Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share #4 Posted January 8, 2019 2 hours ago, lct said: Interesting thank you. Is there a way to recognize the new version? @LCT : Not as far as I know but presumably from the serial number. If you buy from Hamish, he offers a choice of the improved or original but oddly at the same price. I originally ordered from China via Amazon but it went wrong and was not sent, so I cancelled. I am very glad I did, as the January price from Hamish was little more that the pre-tax, pre-import duty, spoonage and all the other UK and Royal Mail costs direct from China. @jaeger: I thought I had shared my findings on the OP. Wilson 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naampje Posted January 27, 2019 Share #5 Posted January 27, 2019 Ordered the hood from 7Artisans directly trough Ebay. https://www.ebay.nl/itm/7artisans-lens-hood-for-7artisans-28mm-f1-4-leica-m-lens/173735974607?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 And Hamish 35MMC is a great guy to do business with! Highly recommended! He took back my flary version and exchanged for the newer version. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/293059-7artisans-28mm-f14-v-28-f2-asph-summicron/?do=findComment&comment=3672908'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share #6 Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Naampje said: Ordered the hood from 7Artisans directly trough Ebay. https://www.ebay.nl/itm/7artisans-lens-hood-for-7artisans-28mm-f1-4-leica-m-lens/173735974607?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 And Hamish 35MMC is a great guy to do business with! Highly recommended! He took back my flary version and exchanged for the newer version. I am using a cheap generic 52mm wide angle hood, which does steal a bit of the VF. How does the correct 7 Artisans hood attach? Is is just a screw in and if so does it always orientate correctly? I am using a B+W UV filter on the lens, because it is mainly used for reversal film. Even if the screw thread end is very accurate on the lens, the female thread on the filter will not be accurately stopped. Wilson Edited January 28, 2019 by wlaidlaw Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naampje Posted January 28, 2019 Share #7 Posted January 28, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hey Wilson, haven’t had it in my hands yet. It’s on its way. Supposedly it’s metal, which I like, slides on and attaches with a screw, which of course is a lesser option than the beauty of the Leica that screws in and stops at the appropriate point. Does have a cut out in the corner so curious as to how it blocks. Someone somewhere said it does help to have the hood attached. Flare wise. I will mainly use it on a M8, so I’ll see how it goes after I have attached the UV/IR cut. I am actually hoping the hood won’t be needed for it is already big enough by itself. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted January 30, 2019 Share #8 Posted January 30, 2019 On 1/8/2019 at 8:54 AM, jaeger said: it would be an interesting lens, please share your finding. It's funny that 28 f/1.4 price higher than the 50 f/1.1, it was like whatever. Thanks! 24 1.4 is ASPH lens. I wonder if it is usable with 28mm framelines or it blocks too much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naampje Posted January 30, 2019 Share #9 Posted January 30, 2019 9 hours ago, Ko.Fe. said: 24 1.4 is ASPH lens. I wonder if it is usable with 28mm framelines or it blocks too much. Here's a photo from Hamish Gill's review. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I can say, it does depend on your M and the viewing angle how bad or not it is... The hood has a cut out. It didn't bother me, size and weight more so. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I can say, it does depend on your M and the viewing angle how bad or not it is... The hood has a cut out. It didn't bother me, size and weight more so. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/293059-7artisans-28mm-f14-v-28-f2-asph-summicron/?do=findComment&comment=3674197'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share #10 Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Ko.Fe. said: 24 1.4 is ASPH lens. I wonder if it is usable with 28mm framelines or it blocks too much. I assume you mean 28mm f1.4 ASPH. Here is my view of the RF on my M240, sadly the red frame lines don't show up and my iPhone has focussed on the lens hood rather than the scene but you get the idea. This is with a generic screw in wide angle 52mm hood. Wilson PS - much better view through the EVF! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 30, 2019 by wlaidlaw 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/293059-7artisans-28mm-f14-v-28-f2-asph-summicron/?do=findComment&comment=3674201'>More sharing options...
jaeger Posted January 30, 2019 Share #11 Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Naampje said: Here's a photo from Hamish Gill's review. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I can say, it does depend on your M and the viewing angle how bad or not it is... The hood has a cut out. It didn't bother me, size and weight more so. I apologize for off topic posting here. Can you teach me how to take this image thru the RF? I need it for technical support reason. Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share #12 Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) I used an iPhone to take my photo but because I never normally use a phone, I focussed wrongly. I think you can tap on the bit of the screen that you want in focus - perhaps more experienced phone photographers can comment. Below is a better picture taken through the EVF with the 7 Artisans at f1,4 Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 30, 2019 by wlaidlaw Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/293059-7artisans-28mm-f14-v-28-f2-asph-summicron/?do=findComment&comment=3674285'>More sharing options...
Steve Ricoh Posted August 13, 2019 Share #13 Posted August 13, 2019 I'm considering the 7A 28 f1.4 but some of the reviews I've read mention minimum focus being off 'straight out of the box', and, perhaps less commonly, the lens producing a double RF image at infinity, and focusing beyond infinity. (Although 7A include a screwdriver with the lens, I don't believe much can be done about focusing beyond infinity.) A YouTube video gives instructions for adjusting the brass ramp (that acts on the cam in the camera) for both minimum and infinity, but I can't understand how a common ramp section can be first adjusted for minimum distance, tightened up then slackened off and readjusted with the focus at infinity. How does that work, with a common ramp acting on the lens helix? If I purchase the 7A f1.4 lens I'd imagine I'd want to use it wide open on occasions. I've read reviews that talk about softness towards the edges of the frame wide open, but should I expect any better from a lens costing less than 1/10 the price of the Summilux 28, and more importantly are the results characterful or just indicative of cost cutting? Any thoughts from actual users who have had time to make an assessment? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ricoh Posted August 16, 2019 Share #14 Posted August 16, 2019 Judgement day has arrived. Just received a second hand copy of the 7A 28 f1.4 at a reasonably discounted price on an already sharply priced lens. Impressive build quality and it seems to focus ok at minimum distance and at Infinity, also the RF coincidance appears to be in sync with the hard end stop of the lens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepyhead Posted August 16, 2019 Share #15 Posted August 16, 2019 Keep us posted! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted August 18, 2019 Share #16 Posted August 18, 2019 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/293059-7artisans-28mm-f14-v-28-f2-asph-summicron/?do=findComment&comment=3800637'>More sharing options...
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jdlaing Posted August 18, 2019 Share #18 Posted August 18, 2019 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/293059-7artisans-28mm-f14-v-28-f2-asph-summicron/?do=findComment&comment=3800640'>More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted August 18, 2019 Share #19 Posted August 18, 2019 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/293059-7artisans-28mm-f14-v-28-f2-asph-summicron/?do=findComment&comment=3800642'>More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted August 19, 2019 Share #20 Posted August 19, 2019 On 8/16/2019 at 9:36 AM, Steve Ricoh said: Judgement day has arrived. Just received a second hand copy of the 7A 28 f1.4 at a reasonably discounted price on an already sharply priced lens. Impressive build quality and it seems to focus ok at minimum distance and at Infinity, also the RF coincidance appears to be in sync with the hard end stop of the lens. Did you notice a very slight tension at the infinity end for the last couple of fractions of an inch? It’s like it is intentional as a parking spot to hold the lens in that position. Kind of nice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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