Long live the M-D!

[pippy]

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25 minutes ago, evikne said:

Sorry, it was obviously the wrong place to post. But you discussed the rumor that Leica might stop making D models, and I just came up with some ideas.

Hey, no worries, evikne! I was just a bit surprised by the suggestion being made here of all places. Perhaps in the SL / Q / T...or, indeed, any other sub-forum it would have been given a rapturous welcome!?!?

I believe it was Ikarus-John who mentioned the possibility of no new D models. If true (and as I wrote earlier) I think it would be a shame but, of course, Leica are a commercial company and a company needs to make profits. If the screenless models are less popular than expected with their target market then I suppose there would be little incentive for Leica to produce future versions.

As it happens my own view was that the M10-D was a step (or three) in the wrong direction in comparison to the M-D Typ-262 but I accept that, as M users go, my personal view isn't shared by many!

Philip.

[evikne]

44 minutes ago, pippy said:

I was just a bit surprised by the suggestion being made here of all places. Perhaps in the SL / Q / T...or, indeed, any other sub-forum it would have been given a rapturous welcome!?!?

I am a hardcore M fan, even though it might seem different. But I'll try to find a more suitable place to discuss the future of the D models.

[pippy]

21 minutes ago, evikne said:

I am a hardcore M fan, even though it might seem different. But I'll try to find a more suitable place to discuss the future of the D models.

Oh this is, without a doubt, the place to discuss D models past, present and, perhaps future. But I doubt any D model would ever feature a screen being as it is specifically the lack of a screen which seems to define the model!

On which note...

Dear Santa;

Could you please arrange for a future D to return wholesale to the 'Bare Neccessities' essence of the M-D Typ-262 coupled with the body-thickness of the M10-D and for it to be available in Black Lacquer and also Silver-Chrome finishes each with the classic Leica (etc.) engraving on the top-plate? Thanks!

PS : For the Black Lacquer bodies could the accessory shoe PLEASE be black-chrome as found on the M9-P and the like? Thanks!!

PPS : Could Leica reintroduce Shark Skin covering and stick it on the M-D Typ-917? Thanks again and see you on the 31st as always!!!

Philip.

Edited July 2, 2021 by pippy

[a.noctilux]

👍Philip

PS + PPS and why not "A la Carte"  ?

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On 6/14/2021 at 4:43 AM, kivis said:

I have my M-P 240 setup like the M-D. Live view is off, movie is off, image review is off and focusing aid is off. Only shoot in RAW.

I was like that with olympus pen camera ,i turned off 127 features and it was just like using the M-D.

[AndreasG]

vor 5 Stunden schrieb pippy:

Could you please arrange for a future D to return wholesale to the 'Bare Neccessities' essence of the M-D Typ-262 coupled with the body-thickness of the M10-D and for it to be available in Black Lacquer and also Silver-Chrome finishes each with the classic Leica (etc.) engraving on the top-plate? Thanks!

Thank you Philip, 100% consent!

[dkmoore]

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On 7/2/2021 at 3:04 PM, AndreasG said:

Thank you Philip, 100% consent!

How about a detachable screen. Win win for all from Santa clause. 

[AndreasG]

vor 6 Stunden schrieb dkmoore:

How about a detachable screen.

That is a M10-D plus an iPhone...

[a.noctilux]

I don't care if the screenless M Leica ending with M10-D which has already 'too many features' (they are of course 'useful' for many users, not for me)

M-D 262 can be (for me ) the proud last M-D 👍 ( maybe last digital M for me ) which is fine as it is.

[Datsch]

So @Mattias Burling has a video out where he ranks 89 cameras that he has reviewed over the years in order of preference, with example photos from each.

Can you guess which one is his favourite?

Interestingly, he gets great pictures from any of those 89 ...

Edited August 24, 2021 by Datsch

[pippy]

1 hour ago, Datsch said:

So @Mattias Burling has a video out where he ranks 89 cameras that he has reviewed over the years in order of preference, with example photos from each....Can you guess which one is his favourite?

Interestingly, he gets great pictures from any of those 89 ...

Thanks for that clip, Datsch. As you say; interesting.

Somehow the first time I tried to watch it I inadvertently clicked onto the wrong link(?) but the section in this link here, from around the 4:00 minute mark (and especially the bit to around 4:25) is 100% exactly how I feel about not just the M-D but how I love to shoot. I agree with everything he says;

Philip.

EDIT : Forgot to say that Yes; a talented photographer will be able to create good images with anything.

But somehow, sometimes, using kit which truly resonates with the user can allow them to take their art to a different level. I believe that absolutely; speaking both as a photographer and a musician.

Edited August 24, 2021 by pippy

[a.noctilux]

In another thread here, we talked about battery life & how to manage at best the battery life.

 

I don't have any problem with my batteries on my digital M.

My concern for future is as M-D battery is 'always full', would the battery life be shorter than other M240 family.

To prevent that, as I use many M using same type of battery, I put one of those BP-SCL2 (14499) in the M interchangeably, when needed.

So I don't even know which battery comes originaly with which M.

 

I ask here if other M-D user (s) has replaced the original battery at some point.

[plaidshirts]

On 9/16/2021 at 3:01 AM, a.noctilux said:

In another thread here, we talked about battery life & how to manage at best the battery life.

 

I don't have any problem with my batteries on my digital M.

My concern for future is as M-D battery is 'always full', would the battery life be shorter than other M240 family.

To prevent that, as I use many M using same type of battery, I put one of those BP-SCL2 (14499) in the M interchangeably, when needed.

So I don't even know which battery comes originaly with which M.

 

I ask here if other M-D user (s) has replaced the original battery at some point.

I have 2 batteries for my M-D and one of them recently showed only 70% full in the camera whereas the charger said 100%. Since I didn’t mark the batteries I have no way of knowing if the problem one is the original equipment. I’ve been trying to drain it down to 0 as suggested by others but it sure does take a long time in an M-D…

[ironhorse]

The video is a wonderful reminder that it is the photographer, not the camera that creates and produces a great photograph. That being said if anyone wants to trade their M10 for an M8 (#2) I would be happy to oblige.

[M2Pete]

On 9/16/2021 at 3:01 AM, a.noctilux said:

I ask here if other M-D user (s) has replaced the original battery at some point.

No. I am the second owner of my M-D 262 with the original battery. Mine generally shows 85% in camera and still seems to get through two, and in a pinch three, shoots before requiring a charge. I just love the camera!

[a.noctilux]

2 hours ago, M2Pete said:

No. I am the second owner of my M-D 262 with the original battery. Mine generally shows 85% in camera and still seems to get through two, and in a pinch three, shoots before requiring a charge. I just love the camera!

Hello Pete,

before recharging your battery, do you mean two/three outings ?

[grahamc]

It's a sad day today.  I have sold my MD-262.

This corner of the forum was my first club house in this forum.   Can I still hang out here please?    

Shed a tear for my D please - but it's still in Sydney for the serial number records ! 

[a.noctilux]

On 10/29/2021 at 5:57 AM, grahamc said:

It's a sad day today.  I have sold my MD-262.

This corner of the forum was my first club house in this forum.   Can I still hang out here please?    

Shed a tear for my D please - but it's still in Sydney for the serial number records ! 

Graham,

nothing wrong with that.

Just move on.

Photography has more than gear to be worried of.

[grahamc]

On 12/2/2021 at 9:21 PM, a.noctilux said:

Graham,

nothing wrong with that.

Just move on.

Photography has more than gear to be worried of.

@a.noctilux True and Thankyou !   First one must be the hardest to let go I think .    They are all lovely, we can't complain at all.

 

 

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[nolove]

Instead of starting a new thread, I thought I should join the MD-262 discussions here. 

I have a MD-262 for quite some times,  it has natural brassing and a small dent. Not long ago, I impulse purchased a used M10-D (surprisingly hard to find one used). after much effort, I finally found one and I was so excited with the M10-D. Initially, I thought that the M10-D is a "versatile" and "improved" version of the the MD for the following reasons:

• I like the the "idea" of the possibility to use the EVF for ultra-wide lens. It is an "idea" because I don't own any ultra-wide lens and EVF.... lol
• The ability to connect to the app so that I don't need to wait till the end of the of day to download and view the photos to my PC. 
• Thinner body similar to a film M.

I know I can't keep both cameras, and for the first few months I am so certain I will sell the MD-262.

Now, I guess my "honeymoon" period with the M10-D has ended and I realise the MD-262 is the one to keep !! 

My reasons:

• The app connect function on the M10-D is not bad, but the more I used it, the more I rely on it and then I start to realise the connection (start-up) is not quick enough. My chimping habit came back and I always have the urge to connect to the app after taking a series of photos. To the point which I start asking myself, why don't use a standard M10 with LCD instead (perhaps with the genuine Leica leather half case with LCD cover)?
• Most of my lens are silver brass (35/1.4 pre-fle, 50/1.4 pre-asph etc) and to my surprise, I found that thicker body of the MD-262 (without any add-on grip or Thumbs Up) is way more comfortable and secure to hold with all my heavier lens. The thinner body M10-D (with or without the built-in fake advance lever extended) is nowhere as stable or comfortable to hold, it really strains my hand more, I think I need a grip or a case with built-in grip for the M10-D. This contradicts to every reviews or posts that I came across, where people praised the thinner M10 body for improved handling but in my user case (i.e. with heavier lens) it is definitely not true. My hand is not huge either, I wear Medium-Large kitchen gloves. Think about that, I guess it is just simple physics, the MD-262 thicker body actually gives me more leverage to counter the heavier front lens and in turns requires less effort to grip the camera with my right hand. 
• ISO dial, on/off switch & shooting mode selector design on the MD-262 is no doubt superior to the M10-D. I still think the M10 ISO dial is a design fail, it should be a press down /pop up action instead. 
• For my type of shooting and especially with my F1.4 lens, max ISO I will use is 1600, most of the time I stay between 200-800. I don't see any IQ advantage of the M10-D over the MD-262 at all.
• I like the MD-262 B&W conversion more than M10-D B&W files.
• I'm not a pro and don't use the camera to produce income, therefore highlight recovery advantage of the M10 is not a concern for me. I just aim to expose a scene as correctly as possible (or sometimes use bracket exposure). Let "blow out" be "blow out", consider that frame is gone and I learn to avoid the same mistake next frame.
• To my ears, I found the shutter sound of the the MD-262 is strangely more satisfying than the muted shutter sound of M10-D. 
• I prefer the black paint finish on the MD-262.
• Battery? Is there a battery in the MD-262? Honestly, it last so long that I forgot it got a battery inside. This is an important contribution to the feeling of "analogue soul" of the MD-262. 

That's right! I am picking an old, brassed/dented MD-262 over a newer, better condition M10-D (still under warranty!).

I found that the MD-262 is like a fine red wine, it gets better with age, which is quite unusual for a digital camera.