I purchased the 75/2 SL

[ropo54]

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2 hours ago, Agent M10 said:

I didn't think I'd buy an SL, but picked one up last week and a 90mm will be here on Tuesday. If these Summicrons are what Leica and everybody says they are, I might be trading in my S.

 

FWIW, I recently acquired the S adapter L to use S lenses on the SL, and the S lenses are exceptionally good.  I, too, am wondering now about trading my S 007.

[tom0511]

Am 27.10.2018 um 03:06 schrieb ropo54:

FWIW, I recently acquired the S adapter L to use S lenses on the SL, and the S lenses are exceptionally good.  I, too, am wondering now about trading my S 007.

The S lenses focus slower on the SL than they focus on the S007. I also own this adapter, but than I think - for what reason should I use a S lens on the SL and not on the S007 with 16bit color and larger sensor and more MP?

[ropo54]

43 minutes ago, tom0511 said:

The S lenses focus slower on the SL than they focus on the S007. I also own this adapter, but than I think - for what reason should I use a S lens on the SL and not on the S007 with 16bit color and larger sensor and more MP?

An amateur's perspective:  Yes, the AF is slower on the SL, but, likewise I find it easier to focus using the joystick and the pre-owned S lenses I have found have been less expensive than the SL lenses. (I have the 35, 70, and 120). The combination is also a tad lighter and smaller than the S with lenses.   The images on the SL are so good that I am considering selling my S007. Again, this is just hobby for me. Rob

Edited October 29, 2018 by ropo54

[Agent M10]

45 minutes ago, tom0511 said:

The S lenses focus slower on the SL than they focus on the S007. I also own this adapter, but than I think - for what reason should I use a S lens on the SL and not on the S007 with 16bit color and larger sensor and more MP?

Using an S lens on the 007 makes sense. While the S lenses are terrific, the SL lenses have the benefit of Leica's recent optical and quality-control innovations. I have a 90mm coming tomorrow. If the Summicrons are as good as I've seen, I may well be selling off the 007 for the upcoming SL lenses. The tough thing for the S is that it doesn't appear that the system is going to get any new lenses anytime soon, and I'd bet that the SL meets or exceeds 37MP with the next iteration. 

[tom0511]

vor 21 Stunden schrieb Agent M10:

Using an S lens on the 007 makes sense. While the S lenses are terrific, the SL lenses have the benefit of Leica's recent optical and quality-control innovations. I have a 90mm coming tomorrow. If the Summicrons are as good as I've seen, I may well be selling off the 007 for the upcoming SL lenses. The tough thing for the S is that it doesn't appear that the system is going to get any new lenses anytime soon, and I'd bet that the SL meets or exceeds 37MP with the next iteration. 

I think the (few available) SL lenses are exceptional, but the SL sensor while quite good - is not MF level quality.

In regards of lenses - I am more disappointed by slow roll out of SL lenses compared to S lenses (where we have many lenses available allready).

 

[f22photographie]

On 10/16/2018 at 2:46 AM, jplomley said:

Did the same thing two weeks ago. Zero regrets. Best prime I have ever used. Resolution wide open off the charts with a beautiful drop off and very nice Bokeh. Can’t wait to pair it with the 35 next year

I can concur having used the 75mm Apo-Summicron-M lens for quite a few years and have just purchased the 75mm SL.  There is an overall difference in resolution wide open, and together with autofocus, fits the criteria for my kind of street photography.  Ditto for the 35mm SL when it becomes available, which will then make the ideal two lens set up.  I'll keep my M8 as backup, together with a couple of M lenses of other focal lengths.   Attached is my first test image, which to my eyesight, shows what it is capable of...

L1000054-John Lennon

[ropo54]

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1 hour ago, f22photographie said:

 

L1000054-John Lennon

Just outside "The Cavern Club" in Liverpool!  I thoroughly enjoyed seeing Abbey Road and having lunch at "The Philharmonic"!

Rob

[f22photographie]

2 hours ago, ropo54 said:

Just outside "The Cavern Club" in Liverpool!  I thoroughly enjoyed seeing Abbey Road and having lunch at "The Philharmonic"!

Rob

Hi Rob,

Glad to hear you enjoyed your visit to our fair city.  I'm not sure how long ago it was when you visited The Cavern Quarter  -   there is now a second statue on the other side of the street dedicated to Cilla Black.  She was a part-time cloakroom assistant at The Cavern Club giving impromptu singing performances and impressed The Beatles.  So much so, John Lennon introduced her to their manager at the time, Brian Epstein, and the rest as they say is history....

Attached is another test image from the 75SL

Best wishes,

 

Mike.

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[ropo54]

Mike, thanks for sharing those images with the SL 75.  I've got the SL 50 1.4 and it is a favorite, though I am tempted by the size of the SL 75, and the photographs posted do not dissuade!

Correction on my earlier post: I'd meant to say Penny Lane, not Abbey Road. 

I'd post some photos from my visit - July 2015 - but they were taken with a Sony. I was so pleasantly surprised by Liverpool and the artsy influences all around. I would love to return one day for a longer visit.  I'll keep an eye out for some  more photos from you. 

Regards, Rob

Edited October 31, 2018 by ropo54

[Agent M10]

On 10/26/2018 at 5:31 PM, jrp said:

Same for me.  The little lenses are great.  Expensive, but the only way of getting compact gear on a full-frame camera in modern times.  However, the SL lenses produce images that are so much cleaner than the Summi/Noctilux M lenses at least, that I have embraced them, despite their being bigger, in general, than the Nikon lenses that I started with.  Makes the world go around, I suppose.

I didn't think I'd ever move off the M (and I have an S), but I recently got the SL and the 90mm. The 90mm? Wow. The SL? It does everything and then some. Hate to say it, but I think my M is going to be relegated to being my everyday camera.

Edited November 3, 2018 by Agent M10

[jrp]

The M lenses are superb for their size, but, other than the 50mm APO Summicron, I suspect that many modern lenses would now equal or best them at the expense of weight / volume, but having AF and OIS.  I don't think that I'll. part with my M lenses, as they will always work (unlike, say, my Nikon D lenses, which won't AF with the Z 6/7, eg).

But with the L alliance, we should get more lens choice and more body choice.  Compatibility remains to be seen.  Yes, you could fit an M lens onto a Sony body, but the sensor glass thickness meant that the results were suboptimal.  The Nikon mirrorless cameras seem to produce a better result with them, but the Z mount is copyrighted, so it's not a supported combo.  I suspect that, by now, the manufacturers will be sensitive to the fact that various tertiary issues such as the number of card slots and sensor glass thickness will be "called out" by the aficionados, so they need to pay attention to them.

[Leicaiste]

On 10/27/2018 at 12:31 AM, jrp said:

However, the SL lenses produce images that are so much cleaner than the Summi/Noctilux M lenses at least, that I have embraced them, despite their being bigger, in general, than the Nikon lenses that I started with.

If you don't mind, could you please elaborate on what you mean by :

"SL lenses produce images that are so much cleaner than the Summi/Noctilux M lenses..."

 

 

[jrp]

They are, in my experience, freer from the sort of aberrations that, particularly the faster, M lenses suffer from (eg, purple edges, LO/CA, field curvature, edge performance, etc).

Of course, some people love aberrations and find that it makes for a prettier, more evocative, picture.  But, in my book, a clean picture that has some emotional content wins every time over one that substitutes "glow" for it.  That said, many collect the older lenses for their optical defects, to conjure up lost times and regard modern lenses as "clinical".  The choice is yours.

[Jon Warwick]

15 hours ago, jrp said:

They are, in my experience, freer from the sort of aberrations that, particularly the faster, M lenses suffer from (eg, purple edges, LO/CA, field curvature, edge performance, etc).

Sounds very fair based on my own shots using M versus SL lenses. The SL Summicrons just seem clearer, sharper, have much less smearing, have less digital aberrations (like fringing), etc.  And the SL + SL Summicron chain seems to have higher acuity, possibly because of less sensor crosstalk. 

In short, I think physics (and recent development) seem to benefit the larger size of an SL Summicron if you want higher image quality.

M lenses are great, but I’ve concluded that their minimal size created compromises in terms of image quality. I’m not sure they’ll ever be as technically perfect as larger sized SL lenses. That’s coming from someone that used to own an M 50 APO too!

Put another way, I can’t always reliably tell if an image was taken with my M 50 APO vs a more regular M lens (maybe that changes when megapixels increase though from the currently low 24mp area) .....but I can immediately tell which images came from a SL Summicron lens vs. M lens.

Edited November 4, 2018 by Jon Warwick

[Agent M10]

1 hour ago, Jon Warwick said:

Sounds very fair based on my own shots using M versus SL lenses. The SL Summicrons just seem clearer, sharper, have much less smearing, have less digital aberrations (like fringing), etc.  And the SL + SL Summicron chain seems to have higher acuity, possibly because of less sensor crosstalk. 

In short, I think physics (and recent development) seem to benefit the larger size of an SL Summicron if you want higher image quality.

M lenses are great, but I’ve concluded that their minimal size created compromises in terms of image quality. I’m not sure they’ll ever be as technically perfect as larger sized SL lenses. That’s coming from someone that used to own an M 50 APO too!

Put another way, I can’t always reliably tell if an image was taken with my M 50 APO vs a more regular M lens (maybe that changes when megapixels increase though from the currently low 24mp area) .....but I can immediately tell which images came from a SL Summicron lens vs. M lens.

Well put. While the M lenses will always be small jewels because of the lack of AF motors, Leica has done a wonderful job with the Summicrons.

Edited November 4, 2018 by Agent M10

[frinothajino]

Could any of you owners tell me the glass diameter? The website states the largest outer diameter is 73mm. I would like to know the diameter of the front element itself.

Thanks,

[Donzo98]

On 11/3/2018 at 11:50 AM, Agent M10 said:

I didn't think I'd ever move off the M (and I have an S), but I recently got the SL and the 90mm. The 90mm? Wow. The SL? It does everything and then some. Hate to say it, but I think my M is going to be relegated to being my everyday camera.

My everyday camera is now a CL with a 23 F2. Don't try that The M will be gone...

The SL glass is outstanding... as is the CL glass.

The benefit of the CL is that it shared the same mount as the SL.

I have the CL as a walkaround... and the SL for the more "serious" stuff.

Edited December 2, 2018 by Donzo98

[Donzo98]

4 hours ago, frinothajino said:

Could any of you owners tell me the glass diameter? The website states the largest outer diameter is 73mm. I would like to know the diameter of the front element itself.

Thanks,

75 SL uses a 67mm filter thread.

[frinothajino]

1 minute ago, Donzo98 said:

75 SL uses a 67mm filter thread.

Thanks but I am looking for the diameter of the front glass element not the filter threads.

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[Donzo98]

26 minutes ago, frinothajino said:

Thanks but I am looking for the diameter of the front glass element not the filter threads.

I will measure later tonight...

Just curious though, why did you want to know.