Bobby Posted September 21, 2018 Share #1 Posted September 21, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm interested about buying a digital Leica. I like the M10, apart from the price , but it seems to me that the 240 has a far superior battery life. In terms of IQ I think the 240 is more than I need. What's the battery life of the M10 like, as compared to the 240? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jdlaing Posted September 21, 2018 Share #2 Posted September 21, 2018 The M10 battery is smaller and is reported to not last as long, or for as many shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulJohn Posted September 21, 2018 Share #3 Posted September 21, 2018 The 240 battery life is noticeably better but I've yet to find myself short of battery on the M10. It still has way more than other mirrorless cameras. I would never need a second battery for my M10 but maybe that's because I pair mine with the Q and don't use liveview. The M10 does have noticeably better shadow and highlight recovery and better noise handling in low light. Funny I do sometimes miss the files from my 240 but can't put my finger on why. I wonder if the higher dynamic range comes at a price of reduced tonal gradation (if that's the right word?). The M10 colours are definitely nicer than the 240 straight out of camera though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted September 21, 2018 Share #4 Posted September 21, 2018 In my use, without shimping or LV/EVF, only DNG files : - M (type 240) 800 to 1000 "frames" - M10 about 200 to 300 "frames", a bit more with one of my batteries, I don't know why 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share #5 Posted September 21, 2018 What I did forget to mention is that I use EVF quite often. So that might reduce battery life on the M10 quite a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted September 21, 2018 Share #6 Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) With Visoflex 020, sometimes, M10 can take only 100 "frames" with one battery ! But when the M10 is hot, just turn it off for cooling = more battery life then. Edited September 21, 2018 by a.noctilux Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share #7 Posted September 21, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Generally speaking, I never go above ISO 800. So based on the comments above it seems the 240 is a better option.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted September 21, 2018 Share #8 Posted September 21, 2018 It is comfortable, not necessarily economical, to keep a freshly charged battery in your pocket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share #9 Posted September 21, 2018 yes, but with a such short battery life of the M10 I'm not sure. I sold my Sony a7r II for the same reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted September 21, 2018 Share #10 Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) yes, but with a such short battery life of the M10 I'm not sure. I sold my Sony a7r II for the same reason. There are ways to use the M10 to use less battery. Perhaps we should direct the thread in that direction. Edited September 21, 2018 by pico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMAL Posted September 21, 2018 Share #11 Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) yes, but with a such short battery life of the M10 I'm not sure. I sold my Sony a7r II for the same reason. Coming from an A7r2, A73 and A7r3 background I can tell you the M10 is not as bad as the A7r2. There is no AF that has to be powered and if you mostly shoot with the rangefinder and don’t use live view the battery life is pretty nice. I made a tour through Barcelona from 1pm to 9pm and changed my battery at 7pm and I was shooting the whole time. Edited September 21, 2018 by SMAL 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share #12 Posted September 21, 2018 With Visoflex 020, sometimes, M10 can take only 100 "frames" with one battery ! But when the M10 is hot, just turn it off for cooling = more battery life then. are you kidding me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share #13 Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) Coming from an A7r2, A73 and A7r3 background I can tell you the M10 is not as bad as the A7r2. There is no AF that has to be powered and if you mostly shoot with the rangefinder and don’t use live view the battery life is pretty nice. I made a tour through Barcelona from 1pm to 9pm and changed my battery at 7pm and I was shooting the whole time. That's good to know. I have an A7r III now. I'm afraid 8 hrs is not enough. I'd rather got for an M240 then. I'm sure the M10 is better, but I hate the idea of dealing with batteries, which is why I own an M3 as well. Edited September 21, 2018 by Bobby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMAL Posted September 21, 2018 Share #14 Posted September 21, 2018 I have three batteries for my M10 and feel like I could easily shoot all day with it. I don’t know where these ominous 300 clicks come from, but I also disabled the review feature and this helps a lot. The dynamic range and noise handling of the M10 is way superior compared to the M240. Coming from an A73 you could maybe be a little disappointed with the M240. Maybe download some raw files of both and play with them before deciding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share #15 Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) I have three batteries for my M10 and feel like I could easily shoot all day with it. I don’t know where these ominous 300 clicks come from, but I also disabled the review feature and this helps a lot. The dynamic range and noise handling of the M10 is way superior compared to the M240. Coming from an A73 you could maybe be a little disappointed with the M240. Maybe download some raw files of both and play with them before deciding. hi SMAL, do you have any idea how many photographs you can get with EVF and no wifi? Dynamic range is not so much of an issue where I live, as it is always overcast Edited September 21, 2018 by Bobby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMAL Posted September 21, 2018 Share #16 Posted September 21, 2018 No, I don’t feel the need for an EVF so far, since I only shoot 24,35 and 50mm. If it’s really critical I use the live view real quick and turn it off again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted September 22, 2018 Share #17 Posted September 22, 2018 Shadow recovery is decent in M10. Highlights, not so much. Dynamic range overall is meh compared to Sony or Nikon. I don't know that it's actually any different from the M240 sensor other than the default interpretation out of camera that Leica has applied is different. In M240 you get less from the shadows but more from the highlights so.... The battery in the M10 is really not an issue - it is a good bit better than with the A7RII, which I also own. Assuming you don't use Liveview, which, if you were to rely on that I don't know why you would be buying any Leica at all. I don't like the M240 because I don't like how it feels in the hand, I am one of those people where the thickness made a difference, funny as that seems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted September 22, 2018 Share #18 Posted September 22, 2018 hi SMAL, do you have any idea how many photographs you can get with EVF and no wifi? Dynamic range is not so much of an issue where I live, as it is always overcast In my experience 150-300 depending on use and diligence. Turning the camera off or using the minimum go to sleep settings helps. Enabling and disabling LV between shot groupings helps as well. With constant EVF use, a second battery is pretty close to mandatory in my view. I have a 240 as well, which is far better in this regard. I have a spare battery, but when the 240 was my primary camera it was rare that it every was used. That said, if you do like to rely on EVF, while the M10 is by no means state of the art, the M240 EVF is, in this day and age, quite crude by comparison. Forgetting about resolution, artifacts and noise levels, the black out times are quite significant. After a year with the M10, I find the 240 to perfectly fine as a pure RF, but near intolerable when using the EVF. YMMV, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted September 22, 2018 Share #19 Posted September 22, 2018 It seems you plan on shooting primarily with the EVF. In that case the Leica SL is a better camera than either the M10 or M240. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark II Posted September 22, 2018 Share #20 Posted September 22, 2018 With Visoflex 020, sometimes, M10 can take only 100 "frames" with one battery ! But when the M10 is hot, just turn it off for cooling = more battery life then. If you are using the Visoflex you are unlikely to be shooting rapidly. Just turn the camera off immediately after taking the shot and the battery life penalty is small - the M10 works nicely this way, because it "remembers" that you should still be in live-view mode when you next turn it on. Shooting this way I get a tolerable 250-350 shots per battery. I use this mainly for landscapes with wide-angle lenses. Shooting more normally with the OVF I find that I need to carry three M10 batteries where I was previously carrying two for the M262. Changing batteries is not a problem, but keeping them charged is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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