mdemeyer Posted February 1, 2019 Share #641 Posted February 1, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 10 hours ago, frame-it said: from the "leak" site: LUMIX S 24 - 105 mm F4 Macro OIS Lens construction: 13 groups 16 pieces (including 2 aspheric lenses and 2 ED lenses) Minimum shooting distance: 0.3 m Maximum shooting magnification: 0.5 times Filter diameter: 77 mm Size: φ 84 x 118 mm Weight: 680 g Dual IS 2 compatible Dustproof · Drip-proof · Low temperature-10 ° Overseas price: 1,299 pounds LUMIX S PRO 70-200 mm F4 OIS Lens construction: 23 groups in 17 groups (1 aspherical lens and 3 ED lenses included) Minimum shooting distance: 0.92 m Number of diaphragm blades: 9 Filter diameter: 77 mm Size: φ 84.4 x 179 mm Weight: 985 g Dual IS 2 compatible Dustproof · Drip-proof · Low temperature-10 ° Overseas price: 1,749 GBP LUMIX S PRO 50 mm F 1.4 Lens construction: 13 groups of 11 lenses (2 aspheric lenses and 3 ED lenses included) Minimum shooting distance: 0.44 m Number of diaphragm blades: 11 Filter diameter: 77 mm Size: φ 90 x 130 mm Weight: 955 g Dustproof · Drip-proof · Low temperature-10 ° Overseas price: 2,299 GBP Hard to comprehend more groups than lenses... doesn’t inspire confidence! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 1, 2019 Posted February 1, 2019 Hi mdemeyer, Take a look here New Panasonic Full Frame with SL Mount?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
frame-it Posted February 1, 2019 Share #642 Posted February 1, 2019 probably the translation..original was japanese Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdemeyer Posted February 1, 2019 Share #643 Posted February 1, 2019 $2,499 and $3,699 https://www.camerawest.com/products/system/panasonic-s?_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJtaWNoYWVsQGRlbWV5ZXIub3JnIiwgImtsX2NvbXBhbnlfaWQiOiAiUFN1Q3N4In0%3D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp995 Posted February 1, 2019 Share #644 Posted February 1, 2019 S1R vs. SL - Don't llike the size and weight ... https://camerasize.com/compare/#813,639 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted February 1, 2019 Share #645 Posted February 1, 2019 S1/S1R is more than 1 kg... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted February 1, 2019 Share #646 Posted February 1, 2019 With the new EU/Japan trade deal about to be signed, what are the chances that these cameras are going to become quite a lot cheaper in the EU? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scroy Posted February 1, 2019 Share #647 Posted February 1, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm intrigued in at least testing out the S1R for landscape and product shots in the 187MP mode and the camera for astrophotography since it looks like the LENR isn't mandatory. It could be truly amazing with the Leica 16-35mm + 90mm Summicron depending of course on the dynamic range the new sensor supports. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted February 1, 2019 Share #648 Posted February 1, 2019 I don't quite understand that the Panasonic Lumix S1 with a 24–105 mm lens is cheaper than a Leica CL with a Vario lens or cheaper than a Canon Eos R also with a 24-105 mm lens. I really would have thought that it would be more expensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted February 1, 2019 Share #649 Posted February 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, marcg said: I don't quite understand that the Panasonic Lumix S1 with a 24–105 mm lens is cheaper than a Leica CL with a Vario lens or cheaper than a Canon Eos R also with a 24-105 mm lens. I really would have thought that it would be more expensive. Yes you're quite right … let's all complain to Panasonic and tell'em we only want to buy expensive cameras dunk 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted February 1, 2019 Share #650 Posted February 1, 2019 I'm sure that's a very good idea – but it still doesn't explain to me the way these are priced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted February 1, 2019 Share #651 Posted February 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, marcg said: I'm sure that's a very good idea – but it still doesn't explain to me the way these are priced. Panasonic likely weigh up the competition and potential sales volume and then decide if they want to make a profit, or break even, or sell at a loss … and price accordingly. Cameras and lenses are a dog eat dog business with most manufacturers trying to undercut the competition. Panasonic can likely afford to have a few 'loss leaders' especially in a new (for them) market sector. Pure speculation of course. dunk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted February 1, 2019 Share #652 Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) Their target is not Leica but Sony, Canon, Nikon, Olympus, and maybe Fuji (i say maybe as Fuji recently jumped straight from cropped to MF sensor cameras so may not quite be direct competition). Panasonic's economy of scale is not comparable to Leica. We should not think of pricing in Leica terms as we are all a bit price blind because of the idiotic prices we pay for our Leica gear 😉 Edited February 1, 2019 by MarkP 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
padam Posted February 1, 2019 Share #653 Posted February 1, 2019 One thing, which I haven't seen mentioned anywhere: do these cameras work with M-mount lenses as well as the Leica SL? Or do they have a sensor cover glass that is different? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdemeyer Posted February 1, 2019 Share #654 Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 53 minutes ago, padam said: One thing, which I haven't seen mentioned anywhere: do these cameras work with M-mount lenses as well as the Leica SL? Or do they have a sensor cover glass that is different? Have not seen specifics on that yet. Lots of speculation but no facts that I have seen (and I’m looking). There is a valid technical argument that, if they have optimized for Leica L-Mount lenses, they should have the same filter stack thickness. But it’s less critical for telecentric lenses so they might not. But that would be a compromise even for L-Mount lenses, so I hope they stayed with the Leica spec. Time will tell... Edited February 1, 2019 by mdemeyer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 2, 2019 Share #655 Posted February 2, 2019 42 L mount lenses by end of next year? https://leicarumors.com/2019/02/01/there-will-be-42-l-mount-lenses-by-the-end-of-2020.aspx/ Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted February 2, 2019 Share #656 Posted February 2, 2019 4 hours ago, padam said: One thing, which I haven't seen mentioned anywhere: do these cameras work with M-mount lenses as well as the Leica SL? Or do they have a sensor cover glass that is different? FWIW, Nikon Z7 users are reportedly pleased with results with M mount lenses, though I haven't seen reports of their use with wide angle lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted February 2, 2019 Share #657 Posted February 2, 2019 7 hours ago, marcg said: I don't quite understand that the Panasonic Lumix S1 with a 24–105 mm lens is cheaper than a Leica CL with a Vario lens or cheaper than a Canon Eos R also with a 24-105 mm lens. I really would have thought that it would be more expensive. the Lumix 24-105 may well not be a strong lens. Unlike the 50 and the 70-200, it is not designated "pro" lens nor is it called "certified by Leica," as are the other two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted February 2, 2019 Share #658 Posted February 2, 2019 4 hours ago, bags27 said: the Lumix 24-105 may well not be a strong lens. Unlike the 50 and the 70-200, it is not designated "pro" lens nor is it called "certified by Leica," as are the other two. PressRelease_LUMIX_S_Lens.pdf 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted February 2, 2019 Share #659 Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, bags27 said: the Lumix 24-105 may well not be a strong lens. Unlike the 50 and the 70-200, it is not designated "pro" lens nor is it called "certified by Leica," as are the other two. Indeed. What few samples I've seen so far, admittedly SOOC pre-production Jpgs, have been singularly unimpressive. Particularly color rendition, which struck me as having a distinctly yellow cast. Far too early to draw any conclusions, but in the interim I'm happy to wait to see an SL2. By the time that rolls around, the path forward should be a lot clearer. My hope is that Leica will differentiate itself with a smaller form factor and simplicity of controls. Way too many things to push, prod or poke at on the SRs AFAIC. Edited February 2, 2019 by Tailwagger 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted February 2, 2019 Share #660 Posted February 2, 2019 13 hours ago, bags27 said: FWIW, Nikon Z7 users are reportedly pleased with results with M mount lenses, though I haven't seen reports of their use with wide angle lenses. From what I have read, preferred M lenses on the Z are the 90 and 75 'Cron, and the 50 'Lux. Those lenses also work very well on the SL... The irony here is that Leica offers SL lenses with the same nominal specifications, and those lenses work even better on the SL. Bet you that Nikon users would love to try those. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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