jaapv Posted September 13, 2018 Share #21 Posted September 13, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) A $3k FF body that accepts Leica lenses. Ah, what a wonderful dream. I've personally "heard" that they will merge into one company: Leicasonic. Just what the world has been waiting for: A Leica microwave... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 Hi jaapv, Take a look here New Panasonic Full Frame with SL Mount?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
mmradman Posted September 13, 2018 Share #22 Posted September 13, 2018 And the eternal bag question... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/289421-new-panasonic-full-frame-with-sl-mount/?do=findComment&comment=3592764'>More sharing options...
frame-it Posted September 14, 2018 Share #23 Posted September 14, 2018 nice...do you have any pics ? If you open an SL up there are Panasonic labeled components inside... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 14, 2018 Share #24 Posted September 14, 2018 More a benefit for Panasonic than Leica i suspect in that more SL users will be interested by Panasonic lenses than Panasonic users by SL lenses but i may be wrong. Could interest me if the rumored body is smaller than the SL and can fit M & R lenses through current Leica adapters personally. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted September 14, 2018 Share #25 Posted September 14, 2018 (edited) If you open an SL up there are Panasonic labeled components inside... Open up any Leica, any camera, any smartphone, any electronic device and you will likely find components labelled by other manufacturers inside. Even if not, many of the components labelled with the selling brand will have been designed and made by third parties. The surprise would be if there weren't. In Leica's case the surprise would be if Panasonic did not have a design and manufacturing input to some of the components for the latest bodies and lenses. Does that, in any way, make them less 'Leica', any more than an iPhone is less 'Apple' (which makes nothing itself) because its components are all designed and made by others? Edited September 14, 2018 by LocalHero1953 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 14, 2018 Share #26 Posted September 14, 2018 That is precisely the point. However, I suspect that there is more than Panasonic parts inside, but that Panasonic design input was used as well, just like Leica optical expertise has influenced Panasonic lens design. Which , BTW, is a good thing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted September 14, 2018 Share #27 Posted September 14, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Agreed. There are often two very human opinions expressed in threads like this: - "The more Panasonic has an input into this, the better - cheaper, more reliable, more cutting edge than Leica" - "The more Panasonic has an input into this, the worse - it's no longer a Leica" Oddly, you never hear these phrases with the names swapped round. Panasonics and Huaweis use the Leica name as a sign of quality and technical excellence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordvik Posted September 14, 2018 Share #28 Posted September 14, 2018 Leica make their own circuit boards. There might be some parts from Panasonic in them, I don't know. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/289421-new-panasonic-full-frame-with-sl-mount/?do=findComment&comment=3592881'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 14, 2018 Share #29 Posted September 14, 2018 Thanks - I did not know that it was this extensive. Glad to know. However, circuit boards are only the end product and my remark was about design rather than manufacture - and they are not the only electronic parts in the camera . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordvik Posted September 14, 2018 Share #30 Posted September 14, 2018 The whole magazine is worth a read: http://www.fdtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/80FDTimes-LEICA-PortugalFactoryTour.pdf 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted September 15, 2018 Share #31 Posted September 15, 2018 Leica make their own circuit boards. There might be some parts from Panasonic in them, I don't know. Hahah,..apart from the lower right pic, the other circuit boards in pics does not look like they could fit into any camera body I know today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordvik Posted September 15, 2018 Share #32 Posted September 15, 2018 Hahah,..apart from the lower right pic, the other circuit boards in pics does not look like they could fit into any camera body I know today. It is obviously fake news. The whole assembly line is set up to hide the fact that the SL is made by Panasonic. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 15, 2018 Share #33 Posted September 15, 2018 Hahah,..apart from the lower right pic, the other circuit boards in pics does not look like they could fit into any camera body I know today. Agree. On the lower left photograph that is obviously a tray of Pizzas. This is the new canteen kitchen in Wetzlar. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted September 15, 2018 Share #34 Posted September 15, 2018 Agree. On the lower left photograph that is obviously a tray of Pizzas. This is the new canteen kitchen in Wetzlar. That would be only kitchen employing industrial inspection microscope. Circuit board in top right picture looks big but if one examines it carefully it has complex multi segmented shape outlined with dark line in the middle of the green board containing nothing. I assume on completion of printing empty surround is removed and middle bent to fit inside camera body shell. So it could be any of the company products, maybe Leica S. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 15, 2018 Share #35 Posted September 15, 2018 Ah- but this is Leica. It is all about precision and tolerances. How else can you inspect an olive for perfect shape? Seriously: This article states: Leica Portugal is where most of the work begins on Leica M and Leica S cameras: Explicitly excluding the SL. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted September 15, 2018 Share #36 Posted September 15, 2018 Ah- but this is Leica. It is all about precision and tolerances. How else can you inspect an olive for perfect shape? Seriously: This article states: Explicitly excluding the SL. Aha, so unless SL is put together in Germany other place can only be Far East. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 15, 2018 Share #37 Posted September 15, 2018 Well, it is put together in Wetzlar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted September 15, 2018 Share #38 Posted September 15, 2018 Well, it is put together in Wetzlar. To a point... Printed boards in Japan, aluminium castings hand polished in Portugal - similar to Leica T but without tedious video, imported parts assembly and final QC with sticker Made in Germany in Wetzlar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith_lee Posted September 15, 2018 Share #39 Posted September 15, 2018 I noticed that on page 15 of the 80FDTimes-LEICA-PortugalFactoryTour publication that there is a photo of the Leica SL body being milled via the CNC process. Does that mean that the SL is not being made in Portugal? Or is the body milling the only step performed there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted September 15, 2018 Share #40 Posted September 15, 2018 More a benefit for Panasonic than Leica i suspect in that more SL users will be interested by Panasonic lenses than Panasonic users by SL lenses but i may be wrong. Could interest me if the rumored body is smaller than the SL and can fit M & R lenses through current Leica adapters personally. I would be the opposite but not sure I'm representative of the majority of users interested in a Panasonic full frame with SL mount. I'd want the higher-res, lower-priced Panasonic body and at least the Leica SL 50 prime, supplemented by M primes, some Leica, some Voigtlander. I'd probably rely on Panasonic for zoom options, particularly getting something like a 100-400 range lens. One thing is for sure, if Panasonic surprises everyone and uses the rumored 8K organic sensor in their full frame debut, users may abandon other brands in droves, particularly Canon full frame users who have been waiting in the parched desert for it to rain class-leading sensors. I can't see how something like this could be bad for Leica except for the Panasonic body competing with the SL2; however, if Leica keeps the SL2 within at least $1K of the Panasonic, they could stay competitive provided they share the same sensor. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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