01maciel Posted January 7, 2022 Share #721 Posted January 7, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) A misty and peaceful morning Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M10 + Summilux 35 pre asph II 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M10 + Summilux 35 pre asph II ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/288041-35mm-14-summilux-pre-asph/?do=findComment&comment=4347767'>More sharing options...
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Ernstk Posted January 7, 2022 Share #722 Posted January 7, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 11:29 AM, sinjun said: Why would glow have increased so much from the steel rim to the Canada pre-asph II? Unless there was some other compensating improvement in some other aspect of lens performance which came at the expense of increased spherical aberration? The obvious answer is that it didn't increase. The mythical image qualities that are attributed to the steel rim are almost always due to 'collectors' trying to justify their spend. The steel rim imaging was nothing special. Later versions are better, due to improved lens formulation. Ernst 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted January 8, 2022 Share #723 Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) I actually shot the summilux steel rim yesterday wide open and at f2, alongside the 35mm 8 elements wide open, and I’ve also used all summilux pre-asph versions (minus the infinity lock version ) and I think both of you are right ahah When it comes to sharpness / flare, the later versions of the pre-asph lux are definitely better wide open and more reliable (ie. Less glow / less flare). Is it a HUGE difference? No, but still noticeable, so if you want the best performing pre-asph lux, I do think that the later versions are indeed more reliable. The steel rim has by far the most beautiful external design and can fit filters, which is a big bonus. When it comes to glow it has the most beautiful glow / bokeh (to my eyes) of all versions. That being said, it’s the least sharp wide open. What I find with the V2 lux is that while there’s more glow, under that glow the images are fairly sharp, so you can easily correct that in Lightroom (if you wish to do so, that is), whereas with the steel rim they are not that sharp at f1.4 (that doesn’t mean that one is better or worse, just different, and some people will prefer the steel rim look while others will prefer the V2 look). Lastly, at f2, I feel the 8e completely outperforms the steel rim both in terms of sharpness and flare rendering (I do think that the 8e has the most beautiful flare of any leica lens, but again some people might prefer the pre-lux flare rendering instead. Check my latest post on the ‘old glass’ thread for an example of the 8e flare to see what I mean). That being said, the steel rim bokeh is quite unique and to my eyes, more interesting than the 8e. BUT the 8e does focus 30cm closer…so it’s hard to pick a winner. Again, it really is up to you what you prefer…and the end of the day, all lux versions are more similar than different, but if you care about the small (to some people, really meaningful though) differences, you care about them and that’s that. If you don’t, then just shoot with whichever lens you enjoy the most and you’ll be fine Edited January 8, 2022 by shirubadanieru 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted January 8, 2022 Share #724 Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, Steven said: They are different batches of the SR and all are different. 173 is very glowy and unsharp. 176 and 177 are nice 👍 206 and 216 are sharper than any other v1 or v2 Summilux. besides that, I completely agree with what you said about the 8e. And while I love the SR’s look, the 8e is amazing too, and has amazing build quality. don’t pick a winner, own both ! Yes, one thing I forgot to mention is that especially with the V1 lens, there is variation from batch to batch (or even lens to lens) so it’s hard to give a definite answer as to the rendering, since so many factors come into place, not only the condition of the lens and what it has been through in its long life, BUT also the difference in production, since there was variation coming out of the factory (from what I’ve read). And Steven, if you want to be a good Leica ambassador you’d give me your infinity lock version so that I can finally use it to compare with the others hehe jk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted January 8, 2022 Share #725 Posted January 8, 2022 1 hour ago, shirubadanieru said: I actually shot the summilux steel rim yesterday wide open and at f2, alongside the 35mm 8 elements wide open, and I’ve also used all summilux pre-asph versions (minus the infinity lock version ) and I think both of you are right ahah Just to add that there are various batches (216, 222, 229, 234 ) of the 35 summilux pre-asph v2 infinity lock lenses and the differences between batches aren't only cosmetic with brass or alu stopper ! Hope you can try early v2 lock versions , you might be well surprised ! Best, JM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted January 8, 2022 Share #726 Posted January 8, 2022 14 minutes ago, JMF said: Just to add that there are various batches (216, 222, 229, 234 ) of the 35 summilux pre-asph v2 infinity lock lenses and the differences between batches aren't only cosmetic with brass or alu stopper ! Hope you can try early v2 lock versions , you might be well surprised ! Best, JM JM if you have one to sell let me know ahah cannot find it anywhere for a reasonable price. Would love to try the early v2 one was only able to find the later one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted January 8, 2022 Share #727 Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 17 minutes ago, shirubadanieru said: JM if you have one to sell let me know ahah cannot find it anywhere for a reasonable price. Would love to try the early v2 one was only able to find the later one. Not for the near future yet I will keep this in mind 😊 Edited January 8, 2022 by JMF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelmer Posted January 8, 2022 Share #728 Posted January 8, 2022 7 hours ago, Steven said: Come to paris, I’ll let you test all 9 of them ! 9...you are a real fan 😀 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted January 8, 2022 Share #729 Posted January 8, 2022 54 minutes ago, Lelmer said: 9...you are a real fan 😀 that's why I can't find any lol 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernstk Posted January 8, 2022 Share #730 Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Steven said: My favorite of my 9 pre asphs... And you're not a collector? It's OK Steven, there's no shame in it (mostly). 😃 Ernst Edited January 8, 2022 by Ernstk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted January 8, 2022 Share #731 Posted January 8, 2022 9 hours ago, JMF said: Just to add that there are various batches (216, 222, 229, 234 ) of the 35 summilux pre-asph v2 infinity lock lenses and the differences between batches aren't only cosmetic with brass or alu stopper ! Hope you can try early v2 lock versions , you might be well surprised ! Best, JM if you don't mind, can you share what the differences are? and are the serials you mentioned the ones i should try? also can you (or @Steven ) confirm or deny these serials focus to 0.85m? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted January 8, 2022 Share #732 Posted January 8, 2022 28 minutes ago, shirubadanieru said: if you don't mind, can you share what the differences are? and are the serials you mentioned the ones i should try? also can you (or @Steven ) confirm or deny these serials focus to 0.85m? Hi, I cannot be more specific as these lenses are too old and inconsistent. The M3 goggled versions are good contenders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirubadanieru Posted January 8, 2022 Share #733 Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Steven said: 216 is what they call the transionnal batch. Started as steel rim, finished as V2. It's my favourite batch of all, weather V1 or V2. 222 is great too. It's the batch during which they switched from brass to aluminium lock. 234 is a alright batch too, with more sharpness than the later, non infinty lock V2. My V2 lenses seem to focus closer than 1m indeed. But it seemed to me like 0,9. So just so i understand. 216 = best with glass from steel rim. 222 = both available in aluminum and brass and second best 234 = no lock, but best after the infinity lock ones. My non-infinity lock version def. does not go beyond 1m, but I heard the infinity lock ones could focus slightly closer (another advantage) And correct, I got a goggled one before which was great with 0.65m focus BUT the glasses annoy me, the lens becomes quite heavier and besides the M3 the finder becomes just too small in all other cameras. Edited January 8, 2022 by shirubadanieru Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted January 8, 2022 Share #734 Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) Just now, shirubadanieru said: So just so i understand. 216 = best with glass from steel rim. 222 = both available in aluminum and brass and second best 234 = no lock, but best after the infinity lock ones. My non-infinity lock version def. does not go beyond 1m, but I heard the infinity lock ones could focus slightly closer (another advantage) This 234 with aluminum infinity lock is RF coupled to less than 3 feet: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This 239 v2 is coupled down to 0,65 m 😉 Edited January 8, 2022 by JMF Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This 239 v2 is coupled down to 0,65 m 😉 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/288041-35mm-14-summilux-pre-asph/?do=findComment&comment=4348357'>More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 8, 2022 Share #735 Posted January 8, 2022 Bristol from Clifton Suspension Bridge M4, Summilux-M 35 v2, Tri-X Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 9 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/288041-35mm-14-summilux-pre-asph/?do=findComment&comment=4348682'>More sharing options...
Lelmer Posted January 8, 2022 Share #736 Posted January 8, 2022 47 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: Bristol from Clifton Suspension Bridge M4, Summilux-M 35 v2, Tri-X Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Great shot. Nice atmosphere 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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