Nikon Z6, Z7 and Leica SL ..... (merged)

[Chaemono]

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Exactly, why sell to impatient customers with money to burn.

Precisely. They have about 380 on order and, I guess, production capacity for about twenty per year. Edited August 26, 2018 by Chaemono

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[satijntje]

Is this reliable enough? It took two seconds to google. https://m.dpreview.com/articles/1690663587/amazonacquiresdpreview

 

Of course it is!

But the article is 11 years old.

Maybe things have changed as the amazon of 2007 is not the amazon from 2018!

 

John

[antigallican]

I think SL system is lagging in more than just megapixels.

For a starter I would like to losslessly compress my raw files.

How about LENR

If I use off camera flash it is Nikon with cheap an£ reliable third party trigger.

 

Actually I like heft and shape of SL and hope it serves me well for a long time, it was expensive purchase after all, but I have no illusions about camera and Leica system shortcomings even if I don’t use all the features.

 

 

I've found Nissin Di700a Nikon Flashes off camera triggered by a Leica SF40 on camera work well. Took quite a while (and mithering of members here) to figure it out. Re the Nikon camera, I don't see where it offers an advantage over an SL. I suppose more Mpixels in the Z7 is an advantage if you want to crop landscape photographs, but if the camera is on a tripod, not much cropping is called for. For event and similar photography, 24 MP is fine.

[mmradman]

I've found Nissin Di700a Nikon Flashes off camera triggered by a Leica SF40 on camera work well. Took quite a while (and mithering of members here) to figure it out. Re the Nikon camera, I don't see where it offers an advantage over an SL. I suppose more Mpixels in the Z7 is an advantage if you want to crop landscape photographs, but if the camera is on a tripod, not much cropping is called for. For event and similar photography, 24 MP is fine.

Does off camera flash work in manual mode only or metered? If metered hats off.

 

Back to SL vs Z7 aregument; slight nod to latest lightweight Nikkor 500mm AF which can also be used with TC and avoidance of moire when shooting birds for instance may be attractive to some.

 

Principal strength of Leica is quality optics however canon and Nikon come with bigger range of specialist optics.

[helged]

I've found Nissin Di700a Nikon Flashes off camera triggered by a Leica SF40 on camera work well. Took quite a while (and mithering of members here) to figure it out. Re the Nikon camera, I don't see where it offers an advantage over an SL. I suppose more Mpixels in the Z7 is an advantage if you want to crop landscape photographs, but if the camera is on a tripod, not much cropping is called for. For event and similar photography, 24 MP is fine.

The Nikon Z6/7 has ibis and, likely, better AF than SL. Plus loads of AF lenses, including very long lenses. These factors can be important for some, I would think.

[bags27]

Nikon executive on whether Nikon will release a pro model like the D5 in the Z-line: “Count on it!”

Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/2018/08/26/nikon-executive-on-whether-nikon-will-release-a-pro-model-like-the-d5-in-the-z-line-count-on-it.aspx/#ixzz5PKM7lWjU

Edited August 26, 2018 by bags27

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someone created this survey after seeing all the extreme Nikon bashing on multiple forums:

 

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/T3ZNY7G

[Chaemono]

Of course it is!

But the article is 11 years old.

Maybe things have changed as the amazon of 2007 is not the amazon from 2018!

 

John

That’s why one googles it. When one searches for “dpreview & amazon” “Amazon acquires dpreview” comes up on top. Had they sold it since then, there would have been a link to an article “Amazon sells dpreview.” Amazon is publicly listed. They announce acquisitions and disposals.

[Chaemono]

someone created this survey after seeing all the extreme Nikon bashing on multiple forums:

 

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/T3ZNY7G

The survey asks the wrong question. The question should be ‘would you do paid work with a camera that doesn’t have dual memory card slots?”

[bags27]

The survey asks the wrong question. The question should be ‘would you do paid work with a camera that doesn’t have dual memory card slots?”

I dunno. pretty much every pro camera used single memory cards until very recently, right? XQD cards have almost a zero failure rate. Of course, "almost" doesn't cut it when explaining why the bride and broom get no wedding photos. But most pros will shoot endlessly with two cameras, and, in the extremely rare circumstance that an XQD fails, there may well be enough good shots on the other.

 

I'm not defending Nikon (though I appear to be). They are already saying that they will produce a D5 level mirrorless, and that will be a pro camera with 2 slots, 50+ mps, vast dynamic range, and, if it's anything like the D5, incredible lowlight capability. 

Edited August 27, 2018 by bags27

[Lonescapes]

People went without dual slots in the past, but if there had been dual slots available at that time, I think most of them would not have.

 

Whether a wedding photographer can use a single-slot camera comfortably would depend on their setup, I imagine. I know some wedding photographers who shoot a telephoto prime (85-135 range) on one body, then a wide angle zoom (16-35ish) on the other, and never lens-change during a wedding, so it wouldn't work for them to have only one camera of photos if the card on the other failed. I know others who, in addition to their two full-sized bodies, use an RX1R II/Leica Q type premium-compact to get the BTS shots at various distances from their subjects. In that case, between one of the two full-sized bodies and the photos off the compact, you'd probably be fine.

 

If I were a Nikon shooter, I'd be glad to see Nikon has a good mount, and I would wait for it to mature.

 

if I were very much into adapting legacy glass, I would be thrilled to see this mount is likely to exceed the E-Mount for wide angle performance of adapted glass.

 

As a Sony user, I would not be tempted to switch.

 

New mirrorless users will choose the system that feels right in their hand or has the better marketing, specs be damned.

[lanetomlane]

Doesn't worry me one bit if you guys decide to switch to the Nikon system as it'll mean the secondhand SL Lens market will be flooded and I'll be able to buy that SL 50 to go with my three SL Zooms.

I'm happy with the SL system but do use a D800 and D810 for safari work and motorsport.

Cheers

Tom

[Jon Warwick]

And what will you do should Leica announce a 50 MP  SL2 at Photokina? -Not to start a rumour, just mentioning a hypothetical possibility.

clearly none of us know, but based on how Leica tends to roll out models, when do people guess an SL2 could be announced? ....i've been assuming most of their models seem to be on 4-year cycles, so i've been guessing 3Q-4Q19?

Edited August 27, 2018 by Jon Warwick

[BernardC]

if I were very much into adapting legacy glass, I would be thrilled to see this mount is likely to exceed the E-Mount for wide angle performance of adapted glass.

 

That's unlikely. It probably uses the same sensor glass thickness as Nikon's SLRs. Nikon wouldn't compromise the optical performance of their dozens of SLR lenses (that are designed for a specific sensor glass thickness), in order to improve the performance of Leica's lenses.

[dkCambridgeshire]

How does the Z EVF compare to the SL's ? Has anyone compared them? I imagine that the Z's EVF, likely being 'latest technology', would be better? But is it? 

 

dunk

[dkCambridgeshire]

A videographer's not so positive opinion of the Z cameras

 

EDIT: Please ignore this post … And TYVM bags27 for posting the videographer's corrected opinion in #137

 

 

dunk 

Edited August 27, 2018 by dkCambridgeshire

[bags27]

A videographer's not so positive opinion of the Z cameras

 

 

dunk 

She originally canceled her order because she got the wrong information about battery life, I think. She's since ordered the camera again and apologizes for her earlier video that you cite, Dunk. Actually, reports from people in the field suggest that battery life is terrific. For video, 90 minutes and for stills, approximately 1000 shots. Here:

 

 

This has become a silly game, I think. There are plenty of terrific as well as critical reviews of a camera that no one's had for more than an hour or two. Here's a pro who used a pre-production model extensively (with pre-production software) the same way our Jono uses pre-production Leicas, and he raves about it:

http://www.rossharvey.com/reviews/nikon-z7-review

 

Nikon will get this very right, if not in 1.0 then in 2.0. It will produce excellent optics (though not as good as Leica, but just as Leica, it's first an optics company and then a camera company), it can draw on an incredible amount of legacy glass (and its adaptor allows for autofocus), it has excellent ergonomics (not as good as Leica but better than anyone else except maybe Fuji), a menu that is simpler to use than any other maker except Leica, and it can put in the latest technology much faster than can Leica at 1/2 the price. Everyone benefits from this.

Edited August 27, 2018 by bags27

[BernardC]

How does the Z EVF compare to the SL's ?

The Z has a VF with 3.69 million pixels. The SL has 4.4 million.

 

The SL also has great viewfinder optics (glass lenses, well corrected). Don't know about the Z, but many EVF cameras use cheap VF optics, which makes it harder to see the screen sharply.

 

Of course, numbers aren't everything. VF lag is a big issue, as are brightness, colour accuracy, contrast, etc.

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thanks for posting the video..

 

its funny how some people are viciously attacking the Z's without even handling them..

 

 

 

She originally canceled her order because she got the wrong information about battery life, I think. She's since ordered the camera again and apologizes for her earlier video that you cite, Dunk. Actually, reports from people in the field suggest that battery life is terrific. For video, 90 minutes and for stills, approximately 1000 shots. Here:

 

 

This has become a silly game, I think. There are plenty of terrific as well as critical reviews of a camera that no one's had for more than an hour or two. Here's a pro who used a pre-production model extensively (with pre-production software) the same way our Jono uses pre-production Leicas, and he raves about it:

http://www.rossharvey.com/reviews/nikon-z7-review

 

Nikon will get this very right, if not in 1.0 then in 2.0. It will produce excellent optics (though not as good as Leica, but just as Leica, it's first an optics company and then a camera company), it can draw on an incredible amount of legacy glass (and its adaptor allows for autofocus), it has excellent ergonomics (not as good as Leica but better than anyone else except maybe Fuji), a menu that is simpler to use than any other maker except Leica, and it can put in the latest technology much faster than can Leica at 1/2 the price. Everyone benefits from this.

[Jeff S]

The Z has a VF with 3.69 million pixels. The SL has 4.4 million.

 

The SL also has great viewfinder optics (glass lenses, well corrected). Don't know about the Z, but many EVF cameras use cheap VF optics, which makes it harder to see the screen sharply.

 

Of course, numbers aren't everything. VF lag is a big issue, as are brightness, colour accuracy, contrast, etc.

Plus magnification, percent coverage, eye relief (for eyeglass users), eye cup to reduce flare, diopter controls, etc. Even with all that, eye preferences and comfort levels are extremely personal. One needs to try to decide. Early reviewers seem impressed, and Nikon touts its use of aspherical lenses and fluorine coating.

 

Jeff