wlaidlaw Posted July 11, 2007 Share #21 Posted July 11, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Edmund Ronald, who did the sterling work for us on M8 profiles for C1 also offers a custom printer profiling service. I have not needed it, as I am quite happy with the Ilford icc profiles on Ilford paper in my HP B9180. If I was having problems, Edmund is who I would go to. You can find him here Edmund Ronald's Color Management News Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 11, 2007 Posted July 11, 2007 Hi wlaidlaw, Take a look here M8 photos with the Epson R2400. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
judybabinski Posted July 11, 2007 Share #22 Posted July 11, 2007 Are they dark using soft-proofing? I haven't been successful with soft proofing, but didn't put much effort into it. Will give it another try and see if it solves the dark problem. Judy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted July 11, 2007 Share #23 Posted July 11, 2007 Carsten I use Epson Premium Luster with the 2400 with excellent results... John John, If you like this paper you will love the Museo Silver rag, which also uses the photo black ink. You can google for a dealer or order it from these people - if you do, ask them to email the profile for your printer. http://www.digitalartsupply.com/ http://www.digitalartsupply.com/museosilverrag.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted July 11, 2007 Share #24 Posted July 11, 2007 Carsten, I am using a newly acquired 2400 and found the Ilford profiles not so hot, tho they worked ok on my late 2200. Several people, including a friend from the Forum have recommended Image Print so I got a copy and it is amazing. I also use the Pantone Huey for monitor calibration (sony 19" lcd) I have been printing digitally for about 10 years ,now, and this is the first time that I have seen prints come out of my printer that looked like the image on the screen. I can't tell you what an excitement it is to have this happen. Last nite, I showed my wife some prints I need to frame this week and she said they are the best work I have done. Image Print is a big-ticket item, but I expect it to pay for itself in a year by ridding me of wasted test prints (and ink). Every print comes out looking JUST like the image on the screen (and it's only the baby calibrator, Huey). Run, won't walk to get this product. BTW, you tune the print profile based on the light it will be exhibited in (except for b/w). Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted July 11, 2007 Author Share #25 Posted July 11, 2007 ImagePrint is a bit overkill for a printer with drivers as good as the R2400, according to some, including David (something), the guy doing the 30x40" prints. I would probably pick it up were it a bit cheaper, but it costs something like 500 Euro, right? My colours are pretty close, and I would hate to spend that much money for an incremental improvement. Do you use a colour-managed Mac, Bill, including profiling of the printer and camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwolf Posted July 11, 2007 Share #26 Posted July 11, 2007 Question for everyone on this topic of print and monitor matching. Mine match very well in terms of color and contrast. But is it reasonable to expect any print to match a good LCD for brightness and overall glow? The monitor is backlit, after all. Do you adjust the image for this difference or just live with it. I'm wondering if a whiter paper will help with this? I use Epson Premium Luster, and I see when soft proofing and simulating paper color that the image gets much flatter. So I apply a curve to brighten it. But it never has the brilliance of the monitor version. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted July 11, 2007 Share #27 Posted July 11, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Carsten et al, I use a windoze machine with a $700 sony 19" lcd screen that utilizes a DVI connection (or whatever it's called) and the Pantone Huey device. I prepare the image with C1 and PSCS2 (3 is in the mail) and then print the (cropped, spotted, whatever ... ) image via IP. Image Print is $500 in the US. I was reluctant until I couldn't get a decent print out of the 2400 out of the box with standard Ilford paper and their profiles for this printer. My prints are now in a *totally* different category in terms of color trueness and clarity. I wish I had been using this software before now. It would already be paid for. John, my prints now resemble the screen image -- exactly. I, too, plan to use a different paper, in my case Pictorico White Film, but I'm not there yet. IP's profiles are ready, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t024484 Posted July 11, 2007 Share #28 Posted July 11, 2007 I am using Ilford Matte, Gloss and High Gloss paper all with their RGB ICC profiles supplied by Ilford for the 2400. I also have the Epson 1800, but this printer is clearly inferior to the 2400 despite the RGB 1800 profiles that Ilford supplies. The printprogram I am using now for many years is Qimage. Very affordable and much better than Photoshop and Lightroom in every respect. I have printed standardized RGB pictures via the 2400 RGB ICC Ilford profiles, and have adjusted my screen in Lightroom/Photoshop to those printed pictured. Since then my screen and my printouts are the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teehas53 Posted July 11, 2007 Share #29 Posted July 11, 2007 I don't follow you-? Lr is fully color managed, the only difference is on the camera side, camera profiles are not supported as in C1, however, Lr respects all color space tags and converts appropriately for whatever printer profile you apply, plus allows you to choose a rendering intent. According to Jeff Schewe (Photoshop guru and LR alpha tester/development partner) the current implementation of color management in LR is not "complete." One would have to ask Jeff exactly what that means, but many folks are not getting consistent results printing from LR, even using the settings you describe. Glad to hear it's working to your satisfaction though! T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 11, 2007 Share #30 Posted July 11, 2007 I have also found the printing disappointing from Aperture (probably its most disappointing aspect) and nothing like as colour accurate as PS - even the PSE4 I am using. It does not seem to give the flexibility of PS with the ability to use icc paper profiles and printer profiles. It wants to seem to do all the print managing for you. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted July 11, 2007 Share #31 Posted July 11, 2007 Bill Parsons, Where did you obtain the ImagePrint RIP software? did you deal direct with the company which I believe is Colorbyte Software? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted July 11, 2007 Share #32 Posted July 11, 2007 Bill Parsons,Where did you obtain the ImagePrint RIP software? did you deal direct with the company which I believe is Colorbyte Software? Bill, yes you buy directly from those guys. I spoke with someone who said I only needed to buy the LE version (big sigh of relief!) and it was here very soon. They use a dongle for security, and the dongle must be used for installation as well as all operation of the software. Do NOT lose this dongle or you will have to buy another copy of the sw. Currently I am having good luck with paper in the regular feed slot. I have not worked out how to use thick media yet but will experiment with the user manual a little further before calling them. Note: you cannot print unbordered with this software and the 2400. Did I convey how much a like this sw? Regards, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted July 11, 2007 Share #33 Posted July 11, 2007 Bill, Let me get this straight, you really like this software correct? I bought a roll of the water resistant canvas back in December but I have not been able to get it to feed through the2400 so I put it aside for the time being. I have had a few canvas prints done in the past and they really look great. My results with Epson papers are pretty good but could be better. I suffered for years with the Epson 2000P and was finally getting decent results for a couple of years before switching to the 2400. I bought the 2400 as a refurb direct from Epson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted July 11, 2007 Share #34 Posted July 11, 2007 Bill, my 2400 is also a refurb (a really good way to fly). Yes, this software is the best thing since sliced bread! The real answer to your question of do I like it is that I spent major bucks on it and am very pleased. I have not yet figured out hor to print on thick media. Why don't you call those guys and ask them if they'd make a print on the canvas for you and send it back? I, too, want to start using canvas. I'll look forward to hearing about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenjh Posted July 12, 2007 Share #35 Posted July 12, 2007 This is a little late, but I just purchased ImagePrint LIte for the R2400 and it was worth the $450.00. You get amazing color and black and white prints from the get go, no more wassted ink or paper. They use their own profiles for about every paper on the market. I saw this in action at a B&W converson class I took and which was being used by the instructior. I was immediately sold and have never looked back. I have wasted loads of paper and ink trying to print out of LR and the Epson Sofware (which barely supports the Intel Based Macs. You can download a trial but with a watermark. Leonard Does anyone have any tips for printing M8 photos with the Epson R2400? I want to get going with this, and was wondering if there are any gotchas or tips. I have been using it with a Canon 5D in the past, and like the results very much, but I am looking forward to seeing what the M8 files look like printed on A3+. I use Lightroom, btw. One related question: I am having trouble with my paper profiles. I don't seem to be able to find them on the CD, and I can't find a download link at Epson. Where are these profiles hiding? I used to have them, but reinstalled Mac OS X, and somewhere along the way they disappeared, although everything else seems to be present. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted July 12, 2007 Author Share #36 Posted July 12, 2007 One problem I have with buying ImagePrint for the R2400 is that I am considering the 3800 in the next year or so, and this would not be included, so I would have to shell out again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted July 12, 2007 Share #37 Posted July 12, 2007 For anyone printing B&W on Epson printers I can't recommend Quadtone RIP highly enough. It's incredibly inexpensive and does a superb job. (the discussion at Luminous Landscape Forum > Quadtone RIP is interesting too...) QuadToneRIP Overview I use the Epson profiles for colour on my Epson 2200 + Quadtone for B&W and although it's an old printer, am still very happy with the results... (I mainly do B&W for printing anyway, so don't see any need to "upgrade" from a printer that is now producing excellent neutral monochrome prints). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted July 12, 2007 Share #38 Posted July 12, 2007 One problem I have with buying ImagePrint for the R2400 is that I am considering the 3800 in the next year or so, and this would not be included, so I would have to shell out again. Carsten, I just bought the 3800 a few weeks ago (I still have my 2400). For what it's worth, the profiles Epson supplies with the 3800 appear a bit more accurate than the ones with the 2400. They also purportedly individually calibrate each of the 3800's they ship, reducing the model-to-model variation one normally sees. I'm sure that helps. Anyway, you may not feel the need for a RIP with the 3800. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted July 12, 2007 Share #39 Posted July 12, 2007 If I bought a RIP for my 2400, I would need to buy another for my future printer since they seem to be specific to a printer, ink and paper in some instances. Epson sells their 3800 with the Colorburst RIP. Is that a recommended thing or as Jeff states, you might not need one as he gets good results using the Epson profiles and papers. A new 2400 plus the cost of a RIP and you are at the cost of the 3800. Of course I do not hesitate to spend $2,500+ for a new lens.....go figure!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdrmd Posted July 12, 2007 Share #40 Posted July 12, 2007 The ImagePrint RIP is as good as it gets for B&W printing. I have used it on the 2200, 3800 and 4000 Epson printers and it is not cheap, but it works. DR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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