carstenw Posted July 10, 2007 Share #1 Posted July 10, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Does anyone have any tips for printing M8 photos with the Epson R2400? I want to get going with this, and was wondering if there are any gotchas or tips. I have been using it with a Canon 5D in the past, and like the results very much, but I am looking forward to seeing what the M8 files look like printed on A3+. I use Lightroom, btw. One related question: I am having trouble with my paper profiles. I don't seem to be able to find them on the CD, and I can't find a download link at Epson. Where are these profiles hiding? I used to have them, but reinstalled Mac OS X, and somewhere along the way they disappeared, although everything else seems to be present. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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haribo Posted July 10, 2007 Share #2 Posted July 10, 2007 Carsten, I use currently the R1800 (will get 2400 in near future, too). Find the colour profiles from Epson for their Epson papers not very good. Too much difference between what you see on screen to print-out. Here's the thing, came across Moab paper (moabpaper.com), their paper is outstanding. The best thing, though is that their icc files are outstanding. As a matter of fact, I use those profiles even for epson paper and the results are excellent. Way better than epson own ones. Check it out. H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen.s1 Posted July 10, 2007 Share #3 Posted July 10, 2007 Dunno why, but CS3 seems to give me nicer (more accurate) prints than Lightroom. Same printer, same camera. Images look the same on Bridge as on LR. Using Epson pro gloss (or whatever they call it) paper. Think I'll try a custom profile. I'm sure we can get closer to what shows on the monitor. GL, keep us posted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmb_ Posted July 10, 2007 Share #4 Posted July 10, 2007 Carsten, I found this but it doesn't appear to be all the profiles: Epson America, Inc. - News & Announcements Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwolf Posted July 10, 2007 Share #5 Posted July 10, 2007 Carsten I use Epson Premium Luster with the 2400 with excellent results, as long as everything is calibrated and profiled, soft-proofed, and Photoshop manages color. You know the drill. No special procedures required. My output matches my monitor very well. The profiles are available from each paper info page. Drill down to the paper you want and there should be a link to the profile for you printer. I notice may profiles often say "NEW...", so probably best to check there rather than use the CD anyway. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted July 11, 2007 Share #6 Posted July 11, 2007 No real gotchas, Carsten. The 2400 is a very well-received printer in the fine art community and produces outstanding results - as you already know from your 5D. The profiles are on the Epson web site, under "Drivers and Support". Here's the page for the USA site: Epson Stylus Photo R2400, Drivers & Downloads - Technical Support - Epson America, Inc. You may want to hit the site there in Europe, since you're in Germany. I, too, use Lightroom for initial review and raw editing. My workflow for printing, once I'm finished with raw editing, is to right-click the image, open it in Photoshop CS3 (with the raw edits incorporated), then do everything in CS3. From the M8, I'll typically make very few edits - size to the size I want to print at, unsharp mask, and then print. Once in the print dialog I'll set page size, select the correct paper profile, then send it to print. That opens the Epson driver and (on the Mac) I'll go into "Print Settings" and set the highest resolution (under "Advanced"); and uncheck the "High Speed" setting. Finally, I'll go "Printer Color Management" and turn it "off" (letting Photoshop control color management). At that point I hit the print button. Profile is Pro Photo RGB - a color space I've come to really like (previously, I used Adobe 1998). Calibrated monitor, of course. I get exceptional quality prints from the M8-Lightroom-CS3-2400 (and now 3800). Like John, I really like the Epson Premium Luster paper for proofing and everyday use. For really special images I usually use Museo Silver Rag. And regarding the Epson 3800 - M8 images hold up exceptionally well when printed to 17x22". Those Leica pixels are something special! Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikau Posted July 11, 2007 Share #7 Posted July 11, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm interested in this thread because I'm also close to getting an R2400, but I keep hearing that it's about to be replaced. Does anyone know if a new model is imminent (as opposed to months away, or next year, or ...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemayeux Posted July 11, 2007 Share #8 Posted July 11, 2007 Carsten, I am glad you posted this thread. I have the 2400 and have also used it with the 5D processed in PSCS2. The prints I have run from this have been great using RedRiver Polar Matte paper. However, the M8 shots I have tried to print have been very difficult, the detail in things such as grass seems to morph together and the colors are wild compared to my calibrated screen. I've checked my settings and everything seems to be okay, however I'm sure some setting is off. It was very easy to get a great print out of a 5D raw file using PS, but I am finding the M8 using C1LE as the raw converter, then dumping to PS is proving to be a challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted July 11, 2007 Share #9 Posted July 11, 2007 Carsten, many of the paper manufacturers are recommending that you use the Epson profiles for similar type papers. For example, Crane says to use the Premium Luster profile for their Museo Silver Rag. BTW, they work great! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teehas53 Posted July 11, 2007 Share #10 Posted July 11, 2007 Dunno why, but CS3 seems to give me nicer (more accurate) prints than Lightroom. That's because, at this time, Lightroom is not fully color-management aware. With some experimenting it's possible to come up with a group of settings that make good looking prints. But the repeatability from one image to the next is totally random. For the most consistent results it's still best to print from Photoshop, until a future version of LR is better color-aware. I'm using a 4800 (same guts as the 2400.) An amazing machine - great detail, rich tones (especially on a heavy matte paper.). It's a pretty exciting time in the history of photo printing, particularly for color photographers. I really like two of the Hahnemuhle papers (Photo Rag and Fine Art Pearl,) and have been using the ImagePrint RIP. IP's profiles are excellent, and they have one for just about every paper out there. In fact, if they don't, they'll make one free for the database (and you) if you request it. T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted July 11, 2007 Share #11 Posted July 11, 2007 Echoing what others have said, I have tried to print out of Lightroom but get much better results out of CS2 in my case on the 2400 and Premium Luster with the Epson profiles. I calibrate my monitor with the Optix Pro. I use the Premium Luster Best Photo Profile, let Photoshop determine colors, color management off. I bought my Epson direct from Epson as a refurb. Great deal and you could not tell it from a new one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertwright Posted July 11, 2007 Share #12 Posted July 11, 2007 That's because, at this time, Lightroom is not fully color-management aware. With some experimenting it's possible to come up with a group of settings that make good looking prints. But the repeatability from one image to the next is totally random. For the most consistent results it's still best to print from Photoshop, until a future version of LR is better color-aware. I'm using a 4800 (same guts as the 2400.) An amazing machine - great detail, rich tones (especially on a heavy matte paper.). It's a pretty exciting time in the history of photo printing, particularly for color photographers. I really like two of the Hahnemuhle papers (Photo Rag and Fine Art Pearl,) and have been using the ImagePrint RIP. IP's profiles are excellent, and they have one for just about every paper out there. In fact, if they don't, they'll make one free for the database (and you) if you request it. T I don't follow you-? Lr is fully color managed, the only difference is on the camera side, camera profiles are not supported as in C1, however, Lr respects all color space tags and converts appropriately for whatever printer profile you apply, plus allows you to choose a rendering intent. If you deselect "managed by printer" and choose "other", whatever profile for the paper you have can be selected, and then in the mac dialogue you can choose the correct media type and "no color adjustment" just like in photoshop. The best part is that you can save this as a preset, and it is actually remembered by Lr, unlike in the rest of the mac print dialogues where it is always ymmv unless you check all the settings. I have had excellent and identical results from Lr (compared to Ps) on my R1800 with custom paper profiles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted July 11, 2007 Author Share #13 Posted July 11, 2007 Has anyone here tried the new Pantone Huey Pro? After running ColorSync, I actually get good correspondence between screen and printer, except that the prints are a little darker in the shadows, but I would like to get a colour management system with time, and this one just got a great review. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 11, 2007 Share #14 Posted July 11, 2007 Has anyone here tried the new Pantone Huey Pro? After running ColorSync, I actually get good correspondence between screen and printer, except that the prints are a little darker in the shadows, but I would like to get a colour management system with time, and this one just got a great review. I am using the Monaco Optix XR system. It was highly recommended to me at the Focus on Imaging show for use on Macs. Seems to work very seamlessly on my iMac. The only downside is that this somewhat cheaper version will only set up one profile per system, so if you have dual monitors like I have back in the UK, they will only run the same profile. I will just have to choose, which monitor I want profiled. It comes with Kodak professional target prints, which you can then use to set up your printer. I think the Kodak prints are somewhat over-saturated to my eye - a bit "National Geographic". Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertobari Posted July 11, 2007 Share #15 Posted July 11, 2007 Does anyone have any tips for printing M8 photos with the Epson R2400? I want to get going with this, and was wondering if there are any gotchas or tips. I have been using it with a Canon 5D in the past, and like the results very much, but I am looking forward to seeing what the M8 files look like printed on A3+. I use Lightroom, btw. One related question: I am having trouble with my paper profiles. I don't seem to be able to find them on the CD, and I can't find a download link at Epson. Where are these profiles hiding? I used to have them, but reinstalled Mac OS X, and somewhere along the way they disappeared, although everything else seems to be present. If you use the R2400 with Lightroom it's necessary the paper profile, but if you use the R2400 with Photoshop CS2 there are no problems, you can print with the driver of the printer wit paper Epson and with paper Innopva or Hanhemuhle too ! Alberto Bari Alberto & Stefania Bari Photograpehers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 11, 2007 Share #16 Posted July 11, 2007 Does anyone have any tips for printing M8 photos with the Epson R2400? I want to get going with this, and was wondering if there are any gotchas or tips. I have been using it with a Canon 5D in the past, and like the results very much, but I am looking forward to seeing what the M8 files look like printed on A3+. I use Lightroom, btw. One related question: I am having trouble with my paper profiles. I don't seem to be able to find them on the CD, and I can't find a download link at Epson. Where are these profiles hiding? I used to have them, but reinstalled Mac OS X, and somewhere along the way they disappeared, although everything else seems to be present. Carsten, Another thought - what about the paper manufacturers. Ilford certainly has downloadable profiles for lots of their papers for a whole range of printers. I am using their ones for Ilford Smooth Pearl and Heavyweight Matte A3+ for my HP9180 and they are close to perfect, as you would expect. I am guessing that a number of other paper manufacturers will provide a similar service. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericperlberg Posted July 11, 2007 Share #17 Posted July 11, 2007 That's because, at this time, Lightroom is not fully color-management aware....T Here is a pdf which explains how Lightroom colour management works: http://www.ppmag.com/reviews/200701_rodneycm.pdf 1) Images shown in Lightroom are displayed in a colour space similar to ProPhoto (using an sRGB tone curve with 2.2 gamma instead of 1.8 which is the ProPhoto gamma). 2) If you import an image into Lightroom (jpg, tiff, etc) which already has a colour space profile, Lightroom will honour it. 3) Lightroom does not have the ability to offer soft-proofing (BTW, Aperture does as does Photoshop). Soft proofing is the ability to view the file the way the final image will look based on the printer-paper-ink icc profile. Although you can choose the rendering intent, you have no idea of how it effects the print before printing in Lightroom. This decision by Adobe to leave out soft-proofing (reportedly to keep things simple) was a poor one in my opinion. I print out of CS3 4) Images exported from Lightroom are exported in ProPhoto, aRGB or sRGB depending on how you set it up. On the subject of printers, most people don't realise the level of variability between individual printers of the same manufacturer and model. So when one person says "I use the Epson profiles and they're great" and another says "I used that Epson icc profile and its awful" they may both be right. Each is right based on their specific printer. Always start with the manufacturers profiles (and a calibrated monitor). If you don't get accurate prints using soft-proofing then get a custom profile. If the custom profiles don't do it for you (no profile is perfect and we each have our own version of what acceptable is) then look at a rip like imageprint. Imageprint doesn't work for everyone but what it does is replace the native printer driver. A printer driver has as much effect on your prints as the mechanical abilities of your printer and the ink. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
judybabinski Posted July 11, 2007 Share #18 Posted July 11, 2007 I'm using the R2400 printing M8 files with CS2. I find that, even though my monitor has been profiled using the Spyder, that the prints are consistently darker than the monitor image. So I adjust the ink configuration down 5 to 10%. Judy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericperlberg Posted July 11, 2007 Share #19 Posted July 11, 2007 I'm using the R2400 printing M8 files with CS2. I find that, even though my monitor has been profiled using the Spyder, that the prints are consistently darker than the monitor image. So I adjust the ink configuration down 5 to 10%. Judy Are they dark using soft-proofing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venkman Posted July 11, 2007 Share #20 Posted July 11, 2007 Has anyone here tried the new Pantone Huey Pro? After running ColorSync, I actually get good correspondence between screen and printer, except that the prints are a little darker in the shadows, but I would like to get a colour management system with time, and this one just got a great review. Carsten, the Huey Pro does get great reviews indeed and so far it seems that it is actually running with all kind of monitors, where the Spyder2Express does not work with my NEC. Only problem I had so far was actually getting a pro version instead of the "normal" one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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