Leica CM / ML?/ New Leica Mirrorless Announcement

[Chaemono]

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This would be at least very tight. The diameter of a 45x30mm sensor is 54mm, while the inner diameter of the L mount is 48.8mm, and the flange distance of 20mm doesnt give much room either.

 

https://www.graphics.cornell.edu/~westin/misc/mounts-by-register.html

http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Lens_mounts

 

49mm would be tight, indeed. The user in post #2192 here https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/261949-leica-sl-or-hasselblad-x1d/page-110 thinks it's 51mm.

[bags27]

The C-Lux will be announced and is leaked here:

• 20.1MP 1" High Sensitivity MOS Sensor
• Venus Engine Image Processor
• Leica DC Vario-Elmar 15x Zoom Lens
• 24-360mm (35mm Equivalent)
• 0.21" 2330k-Dot Live View Finder
• 3.0" 1240k-Dot Touchscreen LCD Monitor
• UHD 4K Video at 30 and 24 fps
• Full HD High-Speed Video Recording
• 5-Axis Hybrid O.I.S.
• 4K Photo Burst Mode at 30 fps; ISO 25600
• 
  
• Read more: https://leicarumors.com/2018/06/08/first-picture-of-the-leica-c-lux-camera-leaked-online.aspx/#ixzz5HqtVyRVM

[jaapv]

Ok guys,

We will get something like a Q with interchangeable lens or a FF CL with M- Mount, and, of course, with 24Mpix.

I guess, „some“ are waiting for something like this, for what reason ever.

As an impatient landscape shooter (who currently is shooting with M240 and M246) I‘m pretty sure, that I‘m investing my money after June 15th in a non Leica body where I can use my M lenes with 38MPix - 46MPix in 3:2 aspect ratio, with great dynamic range and exceptipnal EVF.

I would be really surprised, if this new „C-M“ is attracting me ...

If the prefix is "C" it is not unlikely to be an APS-C camera.  

[bags27]

I've ceased believing the rumor (hope I'm wrong!), but if we are going to go with the rumor at all, FWIW, it's supposed to be a "full frame" camera:

https://leicarumors.com/2018/05/28/new-leica-mirrorless-camera-to-be-announced-in-june-leica-c-m.aspx/

[jaapv]

Fact is: Nobody outside Leica knows...

[Gibbo]

Some of their associated companies probably do too.

[Jeff S]

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Fact is: Nobody outside Leica knows...

Leica Rumors knew about the Q before release. Leica invited them for pre-release showing, of course subject to NDA. That was a first for them. Rumors has not indicated any such relationship concerning the upcoming camera(s), but we don’t know where and how he got the info. I don’t recall Rumor misses on any significant new product releases going back to the M9, which was pretty much spot on.

 

Jeff

Edited June 8, 2018 by Jeff S

[bags27]

Leica Rumors knew about the Q before release. Leica invited them for pre-release showing, of course subject to NDA. That was a first for them. Rumors has not indicated any such relationship concerning the upcoming camera(s), but we don’t know where and how he got the info. I don’t recall Rumor misses on any significant new product releases going back to the M9, which was pretty much spot on.

 

Jeff

Right, but I believe that Leica traded them a NDA for the right to do the first review of the Q. That's obviously not happening this time, and some of the people whom you'd expect to be pre-release field testers have indicated they have heard nothing. 

 

Hoping you're right about Rumors' accuracy, because a full frame "link" between the SL and CL, while problematic for both those lines, would be sublime for the consumer.

[jaapv]

Leica Rumors knew about the Q before release. Leica invited them for pre-release showing, of course subject to NDA. That was a first for them. Rumors has not indicated any such relationship concerning the upcoming camera(s), but we don’t know where and how he got the info. I don’t recall Rumor misses on any significant new product releases going back to the M9, which was pretty much spot on.

 

Jeff

I regard Leica Rumors as hand-in-glove with Leica, who use it as a marketing and (des)information channel.

[marcg]

Some of their associated companies probably do too.

 

I expect that some of the half-case makers and strap manufacturers and thumbs up manufacturers already know as well.

[bags27]

I expect that some of the half-case makers and strap manufacturers and thumbs up manufacturers already know as well.

 I think we're talking about chip suppliers and others essential to the actual material construction of the camera--similar to how people tract development of a new iphone, for example.

[Jeff S]

Right, but I believe that Leica traded them a NDA for the right to do the first review of the Q. That's obviously not happening this time, and some of the people whom you'd expect to be pre-release field testers have indicated they have heard nothing. 

 

 

Not quite...they said the invitation to see the camera in advance was in exchange for not reporting rumors.  Louis then issued the LR review, as did many others in conjunction with the formal announcement....

 

https://leicarumors.com/2015/06/10/leica-q-typ-116-compact-full-frame-camera-announced.aspx/

 

I'm aware that Jono and others say they know nothing, and that makes this more interesting.

 

Jeff

Edited June 8, 2018 by Jeff S

[Jeff S]

I regard Leica Rumors as hand-in-glove with Leica, who use it as a marketing and (des)information channel.

Doesn't matter to me how they interact, but I do assess based on rumor accuracy.  And that's been very good since the M9 AFAIK.  For me, it's all entertainment anyway, as I'm not an early adopter and like to make my own tests on real gear, not with phantom gear or guesses.

 

Jeff

[bags27]

can we invent a new term: rumor porn?

[chris_livsey]

How to manage new product launches is a problem for makers, where is the teaser shot and the countdown timer on a Leica page? If not careful expectations rise beyond, well beyond, what is planned or even deliverable so the launch actually falls a little flat. The extensive Nikon Df teaser campaign backfired to some extent when the actual camera fell short of what had been built up to be expected and sales, according to Thom Hogan, never hit expected numbers, notably no follow up came from Nikon.

Well placed rumours can manage expectations but as here and elsewhere nothing stops the wish-lists coming out and rightly so, they are inexpensive market research from a core user audience, shout loud and long and you may be rewarded.

[jonoslack]

 

 

 

I'm aware that Jono and others say they know nothing, and that makes this more interesting.

 

Jeff

 

Hi Jeff

Glad to make it more interesting by knowing nothing?!

Best Jono (just back from Crete) Slack

[Jeff S]

Hi Jeff

Glad to make it more interesting by knowing nothing?!

Best Jono (just back from Crete) Slack

But you also add interest when you know something, so it’s win-win.

 

Jeff

[bags27]

So, that must mean that they are testing the new C-M in Crete.... 

[dkCambridgeshire]

Thank you!

And I do agree - I think a Q sized body with an L mount (and an M adapter) is a fantastic idea - so many people who don’t like rangeffinder focusing would love it . . . . . perhaps they’ll do it, perhaps they’ll even do it on June 14th, but I doubt it. . . . And if they do I might even buy one!

 

But as far as FF with AF, perhaps they could manage a few smaller primes, but the zooms just won’t be (just as the Sony ones aren’t), to me that means that if you have a bag with 3kg of lenses it doesn’t matter if the camera body weighs a few hundred grams more - I don’t think it’s that significant. . . . Sometimes a larger body is better. What really interests me is what the SL replacement body will be like (assuming that there is one). I would like to think that will be a little smaller, and if so . . Where does it leave this camera?

 

I think the supposed camera can be boiled down to two things that people want:

 

1. A small FF EVF camera to use with M lenses

Rightly or wrongly I don’t think that Leica will do that whilst M sales are good

2. A small EVF camera with new small very high quality AF primes

I think this one requires magic (at least at the moment)

 

 

Consider that Jono has stated : " … perhaps they'll even do it on June 14th, but i doubt it" … and, " … I don't think Leica will do that whilst M sales are good "  … and "… I think this one requires magic"

 

And consider that Jono would not 'lead us up the garden path'  … he has a reputation to maintain.

 

And then consider, again, the likelihood of a new CM compact L mount FF camera being available on June 14 … or in the near future.   

 

However, the rumoured C-Lux seems to be a distinct possibility - but it's likely a rebadged Panasonic Lumix DC ZS200 - maybe with a few tweaks in the best PanaLeica tradition. 

 

A C-Lux photo has been published … but the CM is 'pie in the sky' … not even a hint of a photo 4½ days prior to the alleged / rumoured announcement … so far it's a dream … or an 'up the garden path' decoy …

 

Thus far the alleged CM is 'Fake news' as regards being an 'L' mount body. 

 

dunk 

Edited June 9, 2018 by dkCambridgeshire

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[bags27]

and consider that a fair number of CL owners may be more than a little miffed that they announce a FF camera so soon after rolling out the CL. 

 

While I agree with the skepticism, there are for me two counter-balancing facts:

 

1. right now there is a mirrorless race, with Nikon and Canon about to announce as well, and even though Leica is somewhat above the battle field, that position isn't as well-defined anymore with chip technology trumping body design and quality (and this wouldn't be the first time that Leica and Nikon took measure of each other), and different marketing may be necessary. 

2. Leica Rumors just doubled down, discussing Leitz Park, and definitively saying that the C-M will be announced around that time. Since LR's first announcement of the C-M, Leica has had ample time to advise LR to walk back that rumor so as to not disappoint customers. Instead, LR has now restated it emphatically.

 

Still, on balance, I'm skeptical.

Edited June 9, 2018 by bags27