Focus Stacking

[frame-it]

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41 minutes ago, Bob Hartung said:

this would kill the need for the Hasselblad X1d or the Fujifilm 100 Mpix bodies.

so you mean people won't need "larger" sensors anymore? or are you only talking about your needs?

[SrMi]

On 8/22/2021 at 2:57 PM, jaapv said:

What feature? Focus stacking is a photographic technique that can be applied with any digital camera. Obviously post-focus can make it easier, but the big drawback is that it is JPEG only. 

I think what most people want is focus bracketing rather than in-camera focus stacking. In-camera focus stacking, as you write, generates JPEGs only. Focus bracketing can be helpful, especially for macros where tiny focus movements are required.

[Speeding]

10 minutes ago, SrMi said:

I think what most people want is focus bracketing rather than in-camera focus stacking. In-camera focus stacking, as you write, generates JPEGs only. Focus bracketing can be helpful, especially for macros where tiny focus movements are required.

Some manufacturer (Olympus comes to mind) do both.  You get individual raw photos you can combine yourself or it will stack up to 15 I think for you in a ready to share jpeg.  For those of us not paid to sit with a computer and dote on, the ready to use jpeg is more attractive.

[jaapv]

2 hours ago, SrMi said:

I think what most people want is focus bracketing rather than in-camera focus stacking. In-camera focus stacking, as you write, generates JPEGs only. Focus bracketing can be helpful, especially for macros where tiny focus movements are required.

Quite agree. Macro does need finer adjustments than landscapes. For landscape shots three or four handheld images run through Photomerge, if needed with a few corrections of artefacts,  will produce a good photograph. For macro we need a tripod and automatic focus bracketing can be quite useful. The problem is that with most implementations of focus bracketing, like Panasonic's Post Focus the images are taken from the 4K video stream, and are thus jpg - and need merging in post, like Helicon or Photomerge. The derivate in-camera stacking is only offered on a number of cameras. Similar for Olympus. 

As far as I am aware, only MFT cameras offer these features, so the request for the SL appears to be rather premature. APS and Full Frame photographers will have to struggle on using the old manual way.

[SrMi]

4 hours ago, jaapv said:

Quite agree. Macro does need finer adjustments than landscapes. For landscape shots three or four handheld images run through Photomerge, if needed with a few corrections of artefacts,  will produce a good photograph. For macro we need a tripod and automatic focus bracketing can be quite useful. The problem is that with most implementations of focus bracketing, like Panasonic's Post Focus the images are taken from the 4K video stream, and are thus jpg - and need merging in post, like Helicon or Photomerge. The derivate in-camera stacking is only offered on a number of cameras. Similar for Olympus. 

As far as I am aware, only MFT cameras offer these features, so the request for the SL appears to be rather premature. APS and Full Frame photographers will have to struggle on using the old manual way.

Most camera that implement focus bracketing, e.g., Olympus, Nikon, Fuji, Hasselblad, Panasonic, Sigma, can generate raw files. Post Focus is used for something different, AFAIK. 

[jaapv]

2 hours ago, SrMi said:

Most camera that implement focus bracketing, e.g., Olympus, Nikon, Fuji, Hasselblad, Panasonic, Sigma, can generate raw files. Post Focus is used for something different, AFAIK. 

AFAIK, only recent MFT cameras offer in-camera focus stacking, JPG only.

Focus bracketing is more common and can be raw, but requires the focus stack to be created in postprocessing, like set out in the official Panasonic video above. 

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18 minutes ago, jaapv said:

AFAIK, only recent MFT cameras offer in-camera. focus stacking, JPG only.

Focus bracketing is more common and can be raw, but requires the focus stack to be created in postprocessing, like set out in the official Panasonic video above. 

yes

 

and a simple explanation here > https://fujiframe.com/articles/focus-stacking-fuji-cameras/

[Photoworks]

On 8/22/2021 at 6:07 PM, frame-it said:

so you mean people won't need "larger" sensors anymore? or are you only talking about your needs?

the large the sensor the less DOF you have usually, large format lenses close down to F64, but you will need more light too. in some cases I tilt macro lens is more useful .

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30 minutes ago, Photoworks said:

the large the sensor the less DOF you have usually, large format lenses close down to F64, but you will need more light too. in some cases I tilt macro lens is more useful .

sure but the person in the post i replied to was not talking about large format cameras that have f64 lenses, but smaller medium format " Hasselblad X1d or the Fujifilm 100 Mpix bodies. "

[SrMi]

7 hours ago, jaapv said:

AFAIK, only recent MFT cameras offer in-camera focus stacking, JPG only.

Focus bracketing is more common and can be raw, but requires the focus stack to be created in postprocessing, like set out in the official Panasonic video above. 

I am not familiar with focus stacking in post based on 4K as the video describes (disclaimer: did not watch it). Most people use the bracketed raw files in PS, Zerene Stacker or Helicon Focus. I prefer Helicon Focus as the output of focus stacking can be a linear DNG instead of the typical TIFF and it has many retouching possibilities.

[Berno van der Wal]

To bad it’s still not possible. The camera should be capabele of processing a stack like this…. Would be great if it’s in the camera to use for (macro) productphotography 

[jaapv]

Well, you would need one of the Panasonics. 

[Berno van der Wal]

1 hour ago, jaapv said:

Well, you would need one of the Panasonics. 

Lens or body?

[jankap]

vor 13 Minuten schrieb Berno van der Wal:

Lens or body?

Traumflieger kent u? Hier wordt veel macro gepropageerd en getest.

https://www.traumflieger.de/reports/Makro-Fotografie/Panasonic-Lumix-G9-II-Hands-On-Test-Vergleich-G9-II-G9-Ol::1928.html

Edited September 28, 2023 by jankap
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[jaapv]

51 minutes ago, Berno van der Wal said:

Lens or body?

Body. The Panasonic system is extremely nice. After taking the automatic stack, you get a series of images on your LCD and select the ones to process. Amazingly artifact-free too. If you select one it is post-focus. 

[jaapv]

1 hour ago, jankap said:

Traumflieger kent u? Hier wordt veel macro gepropageerd en getest.

https://www.traumflieger.de/reports/Makro-Fotografie/Panasonic-Lumix-G9-II-Hands-On-Test-Vergleich-G9-II-G9-Ol::1928.html

Yes but that is on the G series. I have the GX 8 and S 5  The S5 is far simpler to use as it is in-camera. 

[jankap]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb jaapv:

Yes but that is on the G series. I have the GX 8 and S 5  The S5 is far simpler to use as it is in-camera. 

I wanted to lead the discussion to Traumflieger as a whole. This homepage/shop specializes on macro.

[jaapv]

Always useful 😀