IkarusJohn Posted July 5, 2017 Share #21 Posted July 5, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) As the paint wears off the corners of mine, it becomes a keeper. There is no upgrade to the SL which would improve my photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MRJohn Posted July 5, 2017 Author Share #22 Posted July 5, 2017 Half the size and two-thirds of the weight. And compact AF primes. Otherwise ohne mich. If you want an SLmini you need to open a new topic, this one is for SL2 - but I agree, that would be nice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 5, 2017 Share #23 Posted July 5, 2017 Well, not really. It is just that I would have liked the SL to echo the R4, not the Leicaflex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 6, 2017 Share #24 Posted July 6, 2017 Well, not really. It is just that I would have liked the SL to echo the R4, not the Leicaflex. +1. The Fuji X-E2 referred to above is not longer than my Sony A7s mod. I don't expect Leica to reach such a level but the same size as my old R4s would be a good starting point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Gough Posted July 6, 2017 Share #25 Posted July 6, 2017 - 36MP minimum. - PDAF that works for video too. - 10bit 4:2:2 VLOG 4K or greater with internal recording would be killer. - Noise reduction that can be turned off. - IBIS that can be turned off/on. - Specific AF modes for video. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apoqualia Posted July 6, 2017 Share #26 Posted July 6, 2017 I don't care about tiny Japanese mirrorless cameras one iota, those fragile cheap things with horrible anatomy, awkward controls, little batteries and numerous (heat) issues. They are made to be not real cameras, but marketing tools, to persuade people "that mirrorless is small". But all of it is a lie made up to sell cameras, and they can sell them more if they appear small, rather than large. So I am not buying lies. A professional mirrorless camera, when built up to real expectations of the real world heavy use and abuse, eventually ends up being as large as a decent DSLR, and it has to be. For fun, kids and grandpas, small cameras can be made, but will be compromised around every single corner. Leica SL is currently so good that I can't think of any significant improvement about it. Because it was already delivered as a solid product, with excellent specs, and made as a rational, well built and thoroughly justified piece of engineering that does not succumb to fads or marketing lies. New sensors, or video specs, or bitrates, etc. come in a package with the new imager and the new software, so those things are consequential, and not improvements that beg for some kind of 'redesign'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budfox Posted July 6, 2017 Share #27 Posted July 6, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'd like it bigger - more like a professional Canon or Nikon with an in-built portrait grip. Maybe they could build a space in the handgrip to store a Q or M camera, in case you need a portable option at short notice? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
almoore Posted July 6, 2017 Share #28 Posted July 6, 2017 I don't care about tiny Japanese mirrorless cameras one iota, those fragile cheap things with horrible anatomy, awkward controls, little batteries and numerous (heat) issues...A professional mirrorless camera, when built up to real expectations of the real world heavy use and abuse, eventually ends up being as large as a decent DSLR, and it has to be. For fun, kids and grandpas, small cameras can be made, but will be compromised around every single corner... Utter bollocks. There's no shortage of Sonys, Fujis and Micro 4/3 cameras being used at the highest levels, just as there are SLs and huge lenses that do no more than photograph the family dachshund and brick walls. Use whatever camera you like, but don't kid yourself that a camera needs to be bulky to be credible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joonas Posted July 6, 2017 Share #29 Posted July 6, 2017 With Eizo CG318-4k and Leica SL I can make 60x40cm metallic prints and have great fun doing so. I'll upgrade when I can get 8K display with 16-bit colours and 100MP body so I can start to create wall-sized metallic prints. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alib Posted July 6, 2017 Share #30 Posted July 6, 2017 Utter bollocks. There's no shortage of Sonys, Fujis and Micro 4/3 cameras being used at the highest levels, just as there are SLs and huge lenses that do no more than photograph the family dachshund and brick walls. Use whatever camera you like, but don't kid yourself that a camera needs to be bulky to be credible. Ouch!.... There is a certain size and layout factor that suits my hands, which both the M and the SL do so nicely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 6, 2017 Share #31 Posted July 6, 2017 I don't care about tiny Japanese mirrorless cameras one iota, those fragile cheap things with horrible anatomy, awkward controls, little batteries and numerous (heat) issues.Nonsense. My Panasonic GX8 is as well built as any Leica camera, and fully weathersealed. It performed well a temperatures over 40 degrees, where my M240 used to lock up. Not surprising, sa cameras like SL and Q have been developed in close collaboration with Panasonic. For daily use I prefer my M cameras, but not for these reasons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photon42 Posted July 6, 2017 Share #32 Posted July 6, 2017 I don't care about tiny Japanese mirrorless cameras one iota, those fragile cheap things with horrible anatomy, awkward controls, little batteries and numerous (heat) issues. They are made to be not real cameras, but marketing tools, to persuade people "that mirrorless is small". But all of it is a lie made up to sell cameras, and they can sell them more if they appear small, rather than large. So I am not buying lies. Not my experience with Olympus bodies. But you can rightfully claim I'm not a professional user. My anatomy may also be a tad more flexible when it comes to controls and such. Happily owing and using quite different things like a 501C/M (non-non-mirrorless), E-M1, M-D, Q and others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photon42 Posted July 6, 2017 Share #33 Posted July 6, 2017 What would me make enter the SL world? Smaller size all together, lenses and body. Q-sized body sort-of. In any case not that ugly as the current SL. IBIS would be great. Some proper working adapter bringing AF to my M lenses would even let me forget questionable body beauty considerations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 6, 2017 Share #34 Posted July 6, 2017 Sounds like you have little experience with modern mirrorless cameras but i may be wrong. All i can say is i use a Sony A7r2 for my job and my Kolari mod A7s has become my most used "M" and "R" body. I still use my M240 with pleasure though but in RF mode only and it does hardly look more sturdy than my Canon, Nikon and Sony bodies. The SL could have interested me if it had been less bulky but i have always preferred compact bodies like Leica R4, R5, R6 and R7 let alone my dear R4s which were not much bulkier than their M counterparts. Good old times... grandpa LCT I don't care about tiny Japanese mirrorless cameras one iota, those fragile cheap things with horrible anatomy, awkward controls, little batteries and numerous (heat) issues. They are made to be not real cameras, but marketing tools, to persuade people "that mirrorless is small". But all of it is a lie made up to sell cameras, and they can sell them more if they appear small, rather than large. So I am not buying lies. A professional mirrorless camera, when built up to real expectations of the real world heavy use and abuse, eventually ends up being as large as a decent DSLR, and it has to be. For fun, kids and grandpas, small cameras can be made, but will be compromised around every single corner. Leica SL is currently so good that I can't think of any significant improvement about it. Because it was already delivered as a solid product, with excellent specs, and made as a rational, well built and thoroughly justified piece of engineering that does not succumb to fads or marketing lies. New sensors, or video specs, or bitrates, etc. come in a package with the new imager and the new software, so those things are consequential, and not improvements that beg for some kind of 'redesign'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieri Posted July 6, 2017 Share #35 Posted July 6, 2017 - Exactly the same body form, shape and size. - More MP, 36 minimum. - Cleaner long exposures. - Optional long exposures noise reduction would be nice - Not for my work (landscape), but I understand that faster and better AF-C would be desirable by many. However, my preferred solution would be to have 2 DIFFERENT SL on the market, a SL for speed (the one we have now, 24 Mp, perhaps with better AF-c and faster continuous shooting) and one for resolution (36+ Mp, same AF as the actual one, no faster shooting, cleaner files for long exposures). What I feel is needed are native lenses, the ones announced with priority to the 16-35mm. A wider option (12 or 13mm fixed focal and filterable?). T-S lenses would be great to have. A longer zoom for sports (280-420 or 280-560mm f/4?) Best regards, Vieri Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted July 6, 2017 Share #36 Posted July 6, 2017 I don't care about tiny Japanese mirrorless cameras one iota, those fragile cheap things with horrible anatomy, awkward controls, little batteries and numerous (heat) issues. They are made to be not real cameras, but marketing tools, to persuade people "that mirrorless is small". But all of it is a lie made up to sell cameras, and they can sell them more if they appear small, rather than large. So I am not buying lies. A professional mirrorless camera, when built up to real expectations of the real world heavy use and abuse, eventually ends up being as large as a decent DSLR, and it has to be. For fun, kids and grandpas, small cameras can be made, but will be compromised around every single corner. Leica SL is currently so good that I can't think of any significant improvement about it. Because it was already delivered as a solid product, with excellent specs, and made as a rational, well built and thoroughly justified piece of engineering that does not succumb to fads or marketing lies. New sensors, or video specs, or bitrates, etc. come in a package with the new imager and the new software, so those things are consequential, and not improvements that beg for some kind of 'redesign'. Horses, courses. My side-by-side comparison of the SL and a7rII led me to purchase the a7rII for three reasons: the exposure preview (which has been fixed with the SL's firmware 3.0), the Sony's IBIS which works with every lens I can put on the camera including the 280/4 APO and 500/4.5 L, and the Sony's 42MP which greatly reduces aliasing and moire in fine feather detail vs. the SL's 24MP. The SL is a solid, well-thought-out tool, the Sony produces more usable photographs for me. The bottom line for me is the photographs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanetomlane Posted July 6, 2017 Share #37 Posted July 6, 2017 I'm well satisfied with the current SL and cannot really think of anything Leica could do to make me want to upgrade. Now upgrading the M240 to M10 is another story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted July 6, 2017 Share #38 Posted July 6, 2017 The SL body is beautiful IMO. Great ergonomics to shoot it with the highest quality lenses, be they primes or zooms. No changes, please. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/274104-sl2-body-speculation-now-that-the-sl-has-seen-a-price-cut/?do=findComment&comment=3309692'>More sharing options...
Andrew Gough Posted July 6, 2017 Share #39 Posted July 6, 2017 Since we are wishing...Carbon fibre body & lenses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveBK Posted July 6, 2017 Share #40 Posted July 6, 2017 36MP+ since we've been @ 24MP FF Leica since 2012, so it's time to move up. Nice if they could cut the weight a little (they won't) IBIS since it will especially help with the 4K video Higher bitrate/color depth 4K in-camera Tilt EVF would be cool Please some lighter/smaller primes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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