nunnzzzz Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share #81 Posted January 11, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Anyone have any insight on timing of new S008? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul J Posted January 13, 2018 Share #83 Posted January 13, 2018 Photokina seems plausible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffWright Posted January 13, 2018 Share #84 Posted January 13, 2018 Anyone have any insight on timing of new S008? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I was told it's on a 4 year product lfie cycle by a Leica rep, so announcement this year (Photokina). Shipping to mortals, 2019? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dritz Posted January 19, 2018 Share #85 Posted January 19, 2018 What I want? Reasonably affordable service costs (i.e., not US$5000 to replace a circuit board in a S007). True story. Professional turnaround -- it shouldn't take 6 weeks to get that repair... especially at those prices. A warranty that is extended by the time it was out of service getting repaired. Customers get doubly punished when they don't have equipment AND their warranty time is ticking away. If I were relying on it for my income, then at least that $5000 would be a business expense. But if I were relying on it for my income, I couldn't rely on it because it takes 6 weeks for a repair. I had a 45mm lens that failed on the first day (autofocus gear) and took 4 months to replace. Let's not get into when Leica lost my S006 for four months -- it went missing for so long that my insurance paid for it (at its used value, so I took a loss, bought a new replacement), and then Leica found it! Really now. Whatever the S008 might be it won't be a professional camera until Leica steps up its human performance and policies. Apparently, PhaseOne has their act together. So, it can be done! Dean 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted January 19, 2018 Share #86 Posted January 19, 2018 I think you need to point a lot of your problems at Leica USA, those of us in Europe do not seem to suffer the same... john Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 25, 2018 Share #87 Posted January 25, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) LuLa just posted another video interview from Wetzlar, this one with Kevin Raber interviewing the S system Product Manager. It’s pretty basic stuff, all positive, mostly fluff. Only a couple of things mentioned quickly in passing might be pertinent to the future of the system. First, optimism over new things to come (no surprise based on reports here). But when Kevin said he’s looking forward to new lenses, the Product Manager didn’t deny anything (nor did he confirm). It would be nice if the S008 also brings new lenses. Second, the Product Manager said that the big optical viewfinder is a “USP” (unique selling point) of the S system. Literally taken, that would suggest that a mirrorless S is not in the cards. Or maybe he was only talking about past and current versions, although it didn’t seem so. We’ll see. Jeff 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaubauu2009 Posted January 25, 2018 Share #88 Posted January 25, 2018 LuLa just posted another video interview from Wetzlar, this one with Kevin Raber interviewing the S system Product Manager. It’s pretty basic stuff, all positive, mostly fluff. Only a couple of things mentioned quickly in passing might be pertinent to the future of the system. First, optimism over new things to come (no surprise based on reports here). But when Kevin said he’s looking forward to new lenses, the Product Manager didn’t deny anything (nor did he confirm). It would be nice if the S008 also brings new lenses. Second, the Product Manager said that the big optical viewfinder is a “USP” (unique selling point) of the S system. Literally taken, that would suggest that a mirrorless S is not in the cards. Or maybe he was only talking about past and current versions, although it didn’t seem so. We’ll see. Jeff sweet I was about to jump the gun to buy a M10 and a couple of M lens... now with this, I might hold off!!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted January 25, 2018 Share #89 Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) Depend on how much S008 will ask, and how many features I wanted are given such as E-shutter, flip LCD, no more NR and exposure time limit and good mirror damping. If not good, I will just pick up a S007 instead once the new one introduced. I just played S007 files I shoot a year ago, I actually like what I saw. Edited January 25, 2018 by ZHNL 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 25, 2018 Share #90 Posted January 25, 2018 sweet I was about to jump the gun to buy a M10 and a couple of M lens... now with this, I might hold off!!! Well, nothing substitutes for an M system, at least not for the RF experience. And the M10 is sweet. Plus, we have no idea on timing of any S evolution. But I’m waiting to learn more about the direction of the S, SL and X1D systems, to help choose one as a complement to my M10 and MM. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaubauu2009 Posted January 25, 2018 Share #91 Posted January 25, 2018 Well, nothing substitutes for an M system, at least not for the RF experience. And the M10 is sweet. Plus, we have no idea on timing of any S evolution. But I’m waiting to learn more about the direction of the S, SL and X1D systems, to help choose one as a complement to my M10 and MM. Jeff If you don't already have the x1D, i suggest you to skip this generation. The whole thing is half baked... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photon42 Posted January 25, 2018 Share #92 Posted January 25, 2018 LuLa just posted another video interview from Wetzlar, this one with Kevin Raber interviewing the S system Product Manager. It’s pretty basic stuff, all positive, mostly fluff. Only a couple of things mentioned quickly in passing might be pertinent to the future of the system. First, optimism over new things to come (no surprise based on reports here). But when Kevin said he’s looking forward to new lenses, the Product Manager didn’t deny anything (nor did he confirm). It would be nice if the S008 also brings new lenses. Second, the Product Manager said that the big optical viewfinder is a “USP” (unique selling point) of the S system. Literally taken, that would suggest that a mirrorless S is not in the cards. Or maybe he was only talking about past and current versions, although it didn’t seem so. We’ll see. Jeff Keeping the mirror in the S for the next generation makes sense to me. Both alternative variants - an S with EVF at squarely the same body dimensions as before or a reduced size S with new lenses and adapter solution - are most likely considered to not selling well enough. I tend to agree to that estimation. An OVF is not bad and maybe we see an update in mirror movement regarding speed and damping. Ivo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 25, 2018 Share #93 Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) If you don't already have the x1D, i suggest you to skip this generation. The whole thing is half baked...No I don’t, but firmware changes have already taken it from half baked to 80% baked. That’s more progress in a short time than Leica achieved over a much longer span with their agonizingly slow response and poor communication on the S motor issues. We’ll see what else Hasselblad can do with the X1D or next generation (which they’ve said is on the map) by the time Leica expands the S system, if they do. Jeff Edited January 25, 2018 by Jeff S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddhaarta Posted January 26, 2018 Share #94 Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) LuLa just posted another video interview from Wetzlar, this one with Kevin Raber interviewing the S system Product Manager. It’s pretty basic stuff, all positive, mostly fluff. Only a couple of things mentioned quickly in passing might be pertinent to the future of the system. First, optimism over new things to come (no surprise based on reports here). But when Kevin said he’s looking forward to new lenses, the Product Manager didn’t deny anything (nor did he confirm). It would be nice if the S008 also brings new lenses. Second, the Product Manager said that the big optical viewfinder is a “USP” (unique selling point) of the S system. Literally taken, that would suggest that a mirrorless S is not in the cards. Or maybe he was only talking about past and current versions, although it didn’t seem so. We’ll see. Jeff Yeah, quite disappointing this interview. Seems Mr Raber was more interested in the battery compartment and CF-card slot than in the future of this system. But reading between the lines (and poor Tony did not get the chance to speak a lot of lines), I think it is not very probable that there will be a mirrorless S in the near future, probably only an update with Maestro III, so they can serve a higher MP sensor with the same speed. The most interesting question for me is wether Leica manages to get a better sensor than the current one. And I am not referring to MP count but to DR performance at base ISO which is frankly a bit disappointing (at least for landscape), especially comparing to the already quite "old" 50MP Sony sensor (Pentax 645, Fuji GFX, Hasselblad X1D, Hasselblad H6D, P1 IQ350). If the rumors are true that the Nikon D850 sensor is a PowerJazz design, Leica may get ahead of the curve this time as they apparently have a close business relationship with them. Edited January 26, 2018 by siddhaarta 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaubauu2009 Posted January 26, 2018 Share #95 Posted January 26, 2018 Yeah, quite disappointing this interview. Seems Mr Raber was more interested in the battery compartment and CF-card slot than in the future of this system. But reading between the lines, I think it is not very probable that there will be a mirrorless S in the near future, probably only an update with Maestro III, so they can serve a higher MP sensor with the same speed. The most interesting question for me is wether Leica manages to get a better sensor than the current one. And I am not referring to MP count but to DR performance which is frankly quite disappointing (at least for landscape), especially comparing to the already quite "old" 50MP Sony sensor (Pentax 645, Fuji GFX, Hasselblad X1D, Hasselblad H6D, P1 350). If the rumors are true that the Nikon D850 sensor is a PowerJazz design, Leica may get ahead of the curve this time as they apparently have a close business relationship with them. Sweet! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted January 26, 2018 Share #96 Posted January 26, 2018 I predict Leica will keep S007 in the line with S008 introduced if indeed S008 offer more than 60M sensor, as I feel many people may not need extra pixels. (if it is a 50M camera, S007 will obsolete) However, the question is price, they can either priced S007 at discount to $12000 (no more R&D cost) and new one $18000, or keep S007 at $18000 (way overpriced IMO given market condition now), and sell S008 at $24000. If it is 2nd option, it will be a sad situation again for me, I will consider reduce S glass to minimal with S006 for its niche specialty and move elsewhere. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2018 Share #97 Posted February 24, 2018 What I want? Reasonably affordable service costs (i.e., not US$5000 to replace a circuit board in a S007). True story. Professional turnaround -- it shouldn't take 6 weeks to get that repair... especially at those prices. A warranty that is extended by the time it was out of service getting repaired. Customers get doubly punished when they don't have equipment AND their warranty time is ticking away. If I were relying on it for my income, then at least that $5000 would be a business expense. But if I were relying on it for my income, I couldn't rely on it because it takes 6 weeks for a repair. I had a 45mm lens that failed on the first day (autofocus gear) and took 4 months to replace. Let's not get into when Leica lost my S006 for four months -- it went missing for so long that my insurance paid for it (at its used value, so I took a loss, bought a new replacement), and then Leica found it! Really now. Whatever the S008 might be it won't be a professional camera until Leica steps up its human performance and policies. Apparently, PhaseOne has their act together. So, it can be done! Dean When my two month old Leica S007 failed, I took it to Leica Malaysia and they gave me a S007 loaner right there and then, I kept it until my own S007 was replaced. Same with my S120mm Summerlux. That also failed (AF issue) and Leica Malaysia gave me a S100 as a loaner and my S120mm was back with me within about 2 weeks..............I think your problem could be with where you are located Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2018 Share #98 Posted February 24, 2018 S I predict Leica will keep S007 in the line with S008 introduced if indeed S008 offer more than 60M sensor, as I feel many people may not need extra pixels. (if it is a 50M camera, S007 will obsolete) However, the question is price, they can either priced S007 at discount to $12000 (no more R&D cost) and new one $18000, or keep S007 at $18000 (way overpriced IMO given market condition now), and sell S008 at $24000. If it is 2nd option, it will be a sad situation again for me, I will consider reduce S glass to minimal with S006 for its niche specialty and move elsewhere. S glass is two a penny.............pick it up now just in case the S008 is a WOW camera which in turn might push the secondhand price of S lenses from 25% to 50% of the new price Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2018 Share #99 Posted February 24, 2018 I heard yesterday that Hasselblad is making a EVF for the H6D.................That could be sweet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunnzzzz Posted February 24, 2018 Author Share #100 Posted February 24, 2018 Could Leica announce an S008 at the WPPI show in Las Vegas next week? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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