}{B Posted March 28, 2017 Share #1 Posted March 28, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) In the four days that I have had my M10 this messsage has appeared twice. The second time I turned it on after it had been left switched off for five or six hours and as I was scrolling through the menu to change the setting from DNG to JPEG the message appeared. I switched off and then back on and completed the menu change without further messages.The only common factor I can think of is that on both occasions I had previously deleted all the photos on the card. Although on the second occasion that was some hours before. Anyone else getting these messages or any suggestions as to the cause? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted March 28, 2017 Share #2 Posted March 28, 2017 The cause is the difficult heat management because of the small size. However, this appears to be a camera fault. Perhaps an out-of-spec heat sensor? Contact Leica. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted March 28, 2017 Share #3 Posted March 28, 2017 The first demo sample of the Leica M10 I handled at my dealer's shop got pretty warm, almost hot, after several minutes. I was slightly worried ... but to my relief, my own copy (serial number starting with 5182...) doesn't. So it seems to me that some copies get hotter than others. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted March 28, 2017 Share #4 Posted March 28, 2017 I have never seen this message. Regarding the camera getting warm, this would be a good sign as it indicates the body is dissipating the heat. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted March 28, 2017 Share #5 Posted March 28, 2017 Kind of like dropping a brick on your foot. When you tell the doctor it hurts he says "stop doing that". IE: Don't overheat it, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 28, 2017 Share #6 Posted March 28, 2017 Heat problems are pretty darn annoying. The M240 tended to overheat and lock up using the EVF at high ambient temperatures, until Leica fixed it in firmware. (probably by raising the cut-off temperature) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 28, 2017 Share #7 Posted March 28, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Heat issues? Can I justify an M10 or two as hand warmers? It does get cold here. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
}{B Posted March 28, 2017 Author Share #8 Posted March 28, 2017 Thanks for the replies. Just to clarify, in each case I was not taking pictures with the camera and the ambient temperature in the room was less than 20C. The only activity that could have generated heat was the deletion of the photos and in each case there were no more than a dozen. I had the half case fitted which would have insulated the body to some extent. I've tried to recreate the message by scrolling through the menu but nothing so far. I need the camera for a holiday in a few weeks but if the problem continues I'll have a word with the Leica dealer I bought it from when I return. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 28, 2017 Share #9 Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) Your camera is screwed up. If you need it, use it an cope, then send it back to Germany, Oh, wait, are you using the latest firmware? . Edited March 28, 2017 by pico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EoinC Posted March 28, 2017 Share #10 Posted March 28, 2017 Kind of like dropping a brick on your foot. When you tell the doctor it hurts he says "stop doing that". IE: Don't overheat it, It was switched off for several hours, then came up with the message when switched on. Perhaps the doctor should check the symptoms before making a diagnosis? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted March 28, 2017 Share #11 Posted March 28, 2017 Heat issues? Can I justify an M10 or two as hand warmers? It does get cold here. It's not that it gets cold up there.........it just never gets warm. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted March 29, 2017 Share #12 Posted March 29, 2017 I had the half case fitted which would have insulated the body to some extent. actually the opposite...it could be preventing the heat from dissapating. I don't use a case, so not sure if this is why I've never seen the warning or not. Are you on latest FW? Be sure you are on the latest. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted March 29, 2017 Share #13 Posted March 29, 2017 Mine sometimes comes up with message "Sensor overheat: Use iPhone in the meantime". Seriously, it is not normal. Don't use EVF/LV in the meantime and return it to the dealer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdevos Posted March 29, 2017 Share #14 Posted March 29, 2017 Ambient temperature was approx 22º C. First time I turned it on, the battery became slightly hot probably due to charging the built-in backup battery. After cooling down, I tried taking pictures as fast as the camera is capable of. Again it went slightly warm but less than the first time. Warming up is acceptable so I don't worry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vec Posted March 29, 2017 Share #15 Posted March 29, 2017 Even shooting a family gathering rather fast (if I were shooting film I'd be going through a roll of film in a minute or two speed) last weekend I never once held my M10 and thought that anything was getting at all warm. A black one in the desert? Sure, hot. In England now? Umm... Sounds like someone should take a look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
}{B Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share #16 Posted March 29, 2017 Thanks for the replies. I've not been aware of a problem when taking photos and it's too close to the holiday to send it back to Leica to be checked out. I'll carry on using it and see if it occurs again although as I'm using the half case with the back flap attached I'm not seeing any messages that appear between shutter releases. I may have to detach the back and keep an eye on the monitor. I'm assuming that the heat referrred to is internal and not external heat warming the camera body. On both occasions the only activity, apart from scrolling through the menu, that could have generated internal heat was my deleting a small number of DNG files although as I said on the second occasion this was some hours before. The camera has the latest firmware and was built during the first couple of weeks in March. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonzo Posted March 29, 2017 Share #17 Posted March 29, 2017 I don`t realize any difference to my former M type 240, even after intense use of the M10 during a single day. Maybe some of the first examples had a heat problem ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted March 29, 2017 Share #18 Posted March 29, 2017 If the camera's body feels warm, this is not necessarily a sign that interior parts (sensor, processor etc.) are warmer than normal. If you feel it from the outside, the warmth will be dissipated to the exterior - which will cool down the interior. On the other side interior parts may get dangerously hot, and you don't feel anything from outside, because the warmth is stored up in the crucial parts. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted March 29, 2017 Share #19 Posted March 29, 2017 If the camera's body feels warm, this is not necessarily a sign that interior parts (sensor, processor etc.) are warmer than normal. If you feel it from the outside, the warmth will be dissipated to the exterior - which will cool down the interior. On the other side interior parts may get dangerously hot, and you don't feel anything from outside, because the warmth is stored up in the crucial parts. Hmmm – well thanks for this extremely clear explanation of the situation. So where does that all leave us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 29, 2017 Share #20 Posted March 29, 2017 If the reports remain as rare as this one it leaves us with nothing to worry about. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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