skanga Posted February 13, 2017 Share #21 Posted February 13, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I dug into the FW and found the code...I was able to get it working...see attached. Thanks digitalfx Praise the Lord! Now I can keep shooting. Thank you! God knows how HCB shot that guy jumping over the puddle behind Gare St. Lazare without a spirit level, or video or touchscreen, or autofocus, or ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 Hi skanga, Take a look here Level coming back in FW update.... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
01af Posted February 13, 2017 Share #22 Posted February 13, 2017 I've been told the Leica M10 has level sensors inside, and the level feature will return with one of the upcoming firmware updates. So this confirms what dempski said above. The reason for not including the feature from the beginning simply was meeting the deadlines. There just wasn't enough time for the firmware developers and testers. And those who are stuck with firmware v1.0.1.0 ... you cannot download v1.0.2.0 because the next update is due very soon (but no level feature yet). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 13, 2017 Share #23 Posted February 13, 2017 [...] God knows how HCB shot that guy jumping over the puddle behind Gare St. Lazare without a spirit level, or video or touchscreen, or autofocus, or ..... He did not see anything he said. He put his camera on a fence, shot and cropped. I miss fences like that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted February 13, 2017 Share #24 Posted February 13, 2017 He did not see anything he said. He put his camera on a fence, shot and cropped. I miss fences like that... Rumours are that the next M11, the real purist back to the basics of photography camera, will come with a fence. Maybe detachable, I don't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted February 14, 2017 Share #25 Posted February 14, 2017 You might need a fence if the camera was stolen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted February 14, 2017 Share #26 Posted February 14, 2017 If the hardware is present why the heck did they leave it out? There is an electronic connector for the USB multifunction grip underneath the SD card pictogram panel, which is under the baseplate, also. (spotted by member edw) So it seems there is a lot of functionality "there" but left out. Why?????? Leica, put back USB, put back spirit level, put back video! I will never understand why this sort of functionality is removed when 1) people use it and have been happily using it and relying on it 2) it has worked perfectly well and 3) if people don't want to use use it they don't have to. If these very useful functionalities were still there it's not like people would not buy the camera. This is so frustrating! Surely they care enough not to drive away existing customers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Mandeville Posted February 14, 2017 Share #27 Posted February 14, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica moves at their own pace. If they left the connector there, they did so for a reason. I would expect a new multifunctional grip to be released at some point. People seem to be way too impatient. They are a small company and move at a slower pace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted February 14, 2017 Share #28 Posted February 14, 2017 Leica moves at their own pace. If they left the connector there, they did so for a reason. I would expect a new multifunctional grip to be released at some point. People seem to be way too impatient. They are a small company and move at a slower pace. The danger is that all this functionality has been lost for good, that certainly seems likely with the direction Leica appear to be taking. Unless people voice their concerns the risk of it not coming back at all is very reasonable it seems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share #29 Posted February 14, 2017 I am familiar with the panel under the base plate, but there is no way to open it and and far as I know nobody has actually posted an image of any connectors under this panel. I think its pure speculation that these exist...has anyone actually seen these contacts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted February 14, 2017 Share #30 Posted February 14, 2017 I am familiar with the panel under the base plate, but there is no way to open it and and far as I know nobody has actually posted an image of any connectors under this panel. I think its pure speculation that these exist...has anyone actually seen these contacts? There is a member here, Edw, who has seen the connector under the baseplate of the M10. The M-D has the connector, it's just covered up in the same way, using adhesive to fix the small covering panel in place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share #31 Posted February 14, 2017 There is a member here, Edw, who has seen the connector under the baseplate of the M10. The M-D has the connector, it's just covered up in the same way, using adhesive to fix the small covering panel in place. I have seen no evidence of this...and the panel has no obvious way to open it up without damaging it. Has he actually seen it, or is he speculating because it looks like something is underneath? why no photos? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted February 14, 2017 Share #32 Posted February 14, 2017 I have seen no evidence of this...and the panel has no obvious way to open it up without damaging it. Well they don't want you to see it do they. The M-D 240 has a similar cover and It comes off to reveal the connector. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
@ndy_ellis Posted February 14, 2017 Share #33 Posted February 14, 2017 I think Leica has to be conscious of not canniballising sales of the SL by making the M10 do than what it does. Same reason we haven't seen a 35mm Q as it would reach too far into the M cachet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share #34 Posted February 14, 2017 Well they don't want you to see it do they. The M-D 240 has a similar cover and It comes off to reveal the connector. why? thats a big assumption is all I'm saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted February 14, 2017 Share #35 Posted February 14, 2017 why? thats a big assumption is all I'm saying. The member from this forum, edw, has seen it with his own eyes. He said the cover was removed and the connector was there. He may chime in here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff S Posted February 14, 2017 Share #36 Posted February 14, 2017 I think Leica has to be conscious of not canniballising sales of the SL by making the M10 do than what it does. Same reason we haven't seen a 35mm Q as it would reach too far into the M cachet. Or likewise, have the SL cannibalise sales of the M10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted February 14, 2017 Share #37 Posted February 14, 2017 I think Leica has to be conscious of not canniballising sales of the SL by making the M10 do than what it does. Same reason we haven't seen a 35mm Q as it would reach too far into the M cachet. Or likewise, have the SL cannibalise sales of the M10 In some cases, sure. But then there are people who have no interest in the SL, and now they will not buy the M10 either. So that becomes a double loss. When you take away basic needs then people have no choice than to go elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted February 14, 2017 Share #38 Posted February 14, 2017 When you take away basic needs then people have no choice than to go elsewhere. Sure. Fortunately, there are no basic needs missing in the Leica M10. To the contrary—it focuses on the basic needs and omits everything else. Those who don't want a digital rangefinder camera better buy something else indeed. Video features (in particular, audio hardware and connectors) simply don't fit the M10's slim body. It's crammed with what's there. With current technology, the Leica SL is a much better platform for high-end video, for various reasons. But then, technological progress is inevitable, so video might return in the next M model ... or in the model after the next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted February 14, 2017 Share #39 Posted February 14, 2017 Sure. Fortunately, there are no basic needs missing in the Leica M10. To the contrary—it focuses on the basic needs and omits everything else. Those who don't want a digital rangefinder camera better buy something else indeed. Video features (in particular, audio hardware and connectors) simply don't fit the M10's slim body. It's crammed with what's there. With current technology, the Leica SL is a much better platform for high-end video, for various reasons. But then, technological progress is inevitable, so video might return in the next M model ... or in the model after the next. That is one perspective. What I am referring to is the missing USB. One of the first concerns of a pro is how they are going to tether. That is a basic need for many, of corse not all. It was a basic need that was accommodated well with the digital M's before it, and having it in a separate grip was a great idea and meant those that don't want it don't have to have it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
@ndy_ellis Posted February 14, 2017 Share #40 Posted February 14, 2017 I wonder if it's an age thing with me - but in truth I was never very good at holding a lot of complex options in my head. Every time I get a new car, I promise myself I will really look into the manual and optimise the use of all the on-board gadgetry. And I never get round to it. And I don't do video - I have one video clip I'm pleased with, taken on a Canon EOS M (Jumping Jack Flash at the Stones' 50th anniversary concert at the O2) but in truth it was point and shoot. If I want to delve into it one day I have the A7RII which is no shabby performer based on the number of VLOGs I've seen shot on it. What I have never forgotten, however, is that my dad showed me how to use the focus gauge on the top of the lens on his old 2nd hand Finetta when I was about 12 and he lent me the camera to go on a school trip. And he showed me how to use a light meter and what Film speed vs S vs A meant. Aside from a better ability to estimate distance, an LCD and live view would have saved me a lot of under-exposed snow dominated pictures back in 1968 so that's a welcome addition - but the basics are timeless. Hence, what the M10 appears to deliver is the essentials. And ergonomically it is very special. Elaboration can be found in lots of other makes and elsewhere in the Leica range. My guess is there will be more fusion as time goes on and one day the optical rangefinder still-only camera will be discontinued. For now though it is a baby-boomer's dream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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