M 11 will be around in less than 4 years. The speculations and facts.

[evikne]

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I'm looking forward to the M11-DR (low resolution – high dynamic range). 😉

[nicci78]

I guess that M11 is M10-R actually. 

No need to make a genuinely new body before 2023 I guess. 

In the meantime, we can get a M10-E : same as original M10 with 24MP but cheaper with some lost functions

[Jeff S]

17 minutes ago, james.liam said:

I had a thought in another thread that they may be adopting a strategy similar to Sony and their a7.

Start with a lower-res color, introduce a -P 2-3 years later, then an updated Mono, followed by a super-high resolution (-R) and then an -RP version a year or two before the next iteration. Stretches the life cycle to perhaps 6 years instead of 4. If there was ever an M digital body worthy of a longer life, the M10 would be it.

Anything is possible with Leica.  Sony seems to crank out models like hot cakes. We’re still waiting for the S3, a year and a half since announcement.  Methinks Leica marches to its own drum.

Jeff

[Tailwagger]

Personally, I think the times, they are a changin. It was only around a half a year ago we saw a 'new' M240 variant.  As of today, that puts the M240 run at around 8 years and counting. If we think more about the designation as it relates to the physical aspects of the body, we see that every bump in designation from the M8 though the present has resulted in change in dimensions, switch gear, battery size, etc. Pretty much as it was with the film cameras. The unusual development in this case is that for the first time we are seeing a variant with a new sensor specification.

It's hard to say whether this development was solely the financial consequence of needing to find alternate applications for the S3 sensor/technology or a basic shift in some other dimension. It seems though that there is a growing divide between the more mainstream (L, CL, Q) and boutique sides of the house (M, S).  Regardless retaining the packaging in the face of technological changes has to be far more cost effective when dealing with lower volume cameras. 

If the M11 arrives with IBIS, for example, it likely will require yet another round of physical alterations, thus worthy of a new designation. Or perhaps 11 is  being reserved for the unicorn... an EVF-based RF. Someday we'll know.

[Mr.Prime]

perhaps the development of the M will merge with the Q, there will then be no more Q’s because you’ll get what you need in a version of the M ?

[rosuna]

18 hours ago, james.liam said:

The apparent and imminent appearance of an M10R (and maybe then an M10R-P?) is likely to postpone an M11 for several years more.

The M11 will be based on the EVF M... and not the other way... An EVF M camera (based on the SL2) is the next logical step. 

 

Edited January 19, 2020 by rosuna

[jdlaing]

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2 hours ago, rosuna said:

The M11 will be based on the EVF M... and not the other way... An EVF M camera (based on the SL2) is the next logical step. 

 

Hahahahahahaha.  No.

[dkmoore]

1 minute ago, jdlaing said:

Hahahahahahaha.  No.

I agree. If that were the case they would just stop the M line altogether.

Why dump a ton of R&D into two products that operate exactly the same?

 

 

[dkmoore]

13 hours ago, Mr.Prime said:

perhaps the development of the M will merge with the Q, there will then be no more Q’s because you’ll get what you need in a version of the M ?

I think having 2-3 options of Q (regardless of crop ability) would be interesting. A Q28, Q50, Q90.

[Paulus]

vor 17 Minuten schrieb dkmoore:

I agree. If that were the case they would just stop the M line altogether.

Why dump a ton of R&D into two products that operate exactly the same?

 

 

There are some clues IMHO, that something like that will happen. Until now e.g. I could not really see the cause of Erwin Puts "leaving" Leica. The production -stop of the M7 could be one, the other could be the not developing the M11 and M10R being the endgame. 

[dkmoore]

Just now, Paulus said:

There are some clues IMHO, that something like that will happen. Until now e.g. I could not really see the cause of Erwin Puts "leaving" Leica. The production -stop of the M7 could be one, the other could be the not developing the M11 and M10R being the endgame. 

I guess never say never, right? Hopefully that is not the case. I can't imagine Porsche ever deleting the 911/Carrera to only make Panamera's. 

[Patrickxyz]

vor 8 Stunden schrieb dkmoore:

I guess never say never, right? Hopefully that is not the case. I can't imagine Porsche ever deleting the 911/Carrera to only make Panamera's. 

Would the change from OVF to EVF in the M series not be the same as changing from boxer engine to water cooled engine in the 911 series?

But I  imagine that an OVF-M would be available for a long time as (more expensive?) option.

[mmradman]

9 hours ago, dkmoore said:

I guess never say never, right? Hopefully that is not the case. I can't imagine Porsche ever deleting the 911/Carrera to only make Panamera's. 

The way things are going lot of future cars will be electric.  Going forward if any brand manages to produce petrol car in the electrical future it may well be a Porsche, which model we can only speculate, let’s just call it equivalent of Leica M-A.

[dkmoore]

45 minutes ago, Patrickxyz said:

Would the change from OVF to EVF in the M series not be the same as changing from boxer engine to water cooled engine in the 911 series?

But I  imagine that an OVF-M would be available for a long time as (more expensive?) option.

The discussion was if Leica was moving away from the M altogether to only produce the SL line. That is why I used the analogy with Porsche. 

[dkmoore]

33 minutes ago, mmradman said:

The way things are going lot of future cars will be electric.  Going forward if any brand manages to produce petrol car in the electrical future it may well be a Porsche, which model we can only speculate, let’s just call it equivalent of Leica M-A.

Believe it or not Porsche just launched the Taycan. Kind of a mix of 911 and Panamera looks but is fully electric. I believe 0-60 in 3 seconds (added in just for fun).

But, I still agree with your point. I love the way a gasoline Porsche engine sounds, similarly to how I love to look through the M rangefinder.

Edited January 20, 2020 by dkmoore

[frame-it]

13 hours ago, Paulus said:

There are some clues IMHO, that something like that will happen. Until now e.g. I could not really see the cause of Erwin Puts "leaving" Leica. The production -stop of the M7 could be one, the other could be the not developing the M11 and M10R being the endgame. 

i think the M10-R is a pre-cursor to the M11, high rez sensor, use other existing parts etc etc keep costs low..people buy and effectively beta-test it for Leica... the M11 could simply be a slightly slimmer M10-R + hybrid OVF/EVF

[Paulus]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb frame-it:

i think the M10-R is a pre-cursor to the M11, high rez sensor, use other existing parts etc etc keep costs low..people buy and effectively beta-test it for Leica... the M11 could simply be a slightly slimmer M10-R + hybrid OVF/EVF

Why slightly slimmer? Leica managed to make the M10 in the proportions of an M6. What's wrong with this? 

[frame-it]

1 minute ago, Paulus said:

Why slightly slimmer? Leica managed to make the M10 in the proportions of an M6. What's wrong with this? 

nothing wrong..its called speculation as the thread title says

[Paulus]

vor 16 Stunden schrieb dkmoore:

I guess never say never, right? Hopefully that is not the case. I can't imagine Porsche ever deleting the 911/Carrera to only make Panamera's. 

I would not say, deleting the M10R /Porsche 911 , but the developement could be stopped and this camera kept in productions for the next 10 years. I do not know anything of cars. Did de Porsche 911 change when the Panamera appeared, or is it still the same a 20 years ago? 

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[Paulus]

vor 1 Minute schrieb frame-it:

nothing wrong..its called speculation as the thread title says

I understand that is speculation, but I don't see the logic in making an M even slimmer. IMHO the design, which is actually almost the same as the 1953 M3, is a classic.