Soden Posted May 30, 2017 Share #201 Posted May 30, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Your reply is confusing. My assumption was that using an SD card in another device is fine, assuming you do a full format to the card before using it in another device. If this were anybody but Leica I would agree. Plus you are not taking the full process. Once you insert a card the camera writes to that card. It appears that some of what is written is not in the area that's formatted. Figuring your doing a standard full format. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CJJon Posted May 30, 2017 Share #202 Posted May 30, 2017 A full format = plugging the SD into my PC and doing a full format with your favorite tool, not an in-camera format. Takes several minutes per card. All of the cards that didn't work in the M10 (3 of them) all work in other my cameras after a full format. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted May 30, 2017 Share #203 Posted May 30, 2017 A full format = plugging the SD into my PC and doing a full format with your favorite tool, not an in-camera format. Takes several minutes per card. All of the cards that didn't work in the M10 (3 of them) all work in other my cameras after a full format. And do they work in the M10 after a full format? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJJon Posted May 30, 2017 Share #204 Posted May 30, 2017 And do they work in the M10 after a full format? No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soden Posted May 30, 2017 Share #205 Posted May 30, 2017 No. So there are issues not fully corrected by your understanding of a full format. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted May 30, 2017 Share #206 Posted May 30, 2017 No. am curious,.if you format one of the cards in your M10, and then check it on a mac with disk utility..what fileformat does it show ? and any partitions? hidden files ? unaccounted space ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 30, 2017 Share #207 Posted May 30, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Panasonic Gold might be a good choice. These cards include an automatic write/read check, they were the best choice on the M9 as well. Can we still buy Panasonic Gold cards? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 30, 2017 Share #208 Posted May 30, 2017 http://shop.panasonic.com/cameras-and-camcorders/camera-and-camcorder-accessories/camera-accessories/sd-microsd-cards?srule=popularity# Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 30, 2017 Share #209 Posted May 30, 2017 Plus you are not taking the full process. Once you insert a card the camera writes to that card. It appears that some of what is written is not in the area that's formatted. Figuring your doing a standard full format. True, and there is no way to see that info. It's not even a .hidden file. SD cards have a protected area that is not touched by a full format of any kind, whether a secure format or not. That protected area is used by the host controller (on card) to allocate blocks and manage balance (wear leveling) writing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 30, 2017 Share #210 Posted May 30, 2017 If you want to see the hidden files in Finder, you need to run this text in Terminal: defaults write com.apple.Finder AppleShowAllFiles YES killall Finder You will probably want to reverse this afterwards in which case this is the text for Terminal: defaults write com.apple.Finder AppleShowAllFiles NO killall Finder Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 30, 2017 Share #211 Posted May 30, 2017 http://shop.panasonic.com/cameras-and-camcorders/camera-and-camcorder-accessories/camera-accessories/sd-microsd-cards?srule=popularity# That's what I thought. Panasonic Gold cards are not available. Discontinued? Why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soden Posted May 30, 2017 Share #212 Posted May 30, 2017 am curious,.if you format one of the cards in your M10, and then check it on a mac with disk utility..what fileformat does it show ? and any partitions? hidden files ? unaccounted space ?It goes beyond that. The formatted file system is all that gets reformatted. There are boot sectors that may or may not get rewritten. Even if they are rewritten when you insert the card all of that is modified by Leica's own code. That's one of the reasons for the recommendation not to use cards in different bodies. Because what looks good to one camera may not work in another. Often cameras will simply ignore non standard data so the cards work. It's kind of a mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted May 30, 2017 Share #213 Posted May 30, 2017 these are quite good https://panasonic.net/cns/sdcard/industrial_sd/lineup.html#mlc https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiYsNzw_5fUAhUKoZQKHXIrAPkQFghHMAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Findustrial.panasonic.com%2Fww%2Fsystem%2Ffiles%2Fdata%2Fdownload%2Fcatalog%2Fid_sd_catalog_e_0.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFjBhftbeGbbEFP69qiTgKSMVqsqA Can we still buy Panasonic Gold cards? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soden Posted May 30, 2017 Share #214 Posted May 30, 2017 True, and there is no way to see that info. It's not even a .hidden file. SD cards have a protected area that is not touched by a full format of any kind, whether a secure format or not. That protected area is used by the host controller (on card) to allocate blocks and manage balance (wear leveling) writing. No, there are sector readers that will read everything from sector 0 to the final sector on the physical card. Including the reserved areas for the controller. The vendor uses such tools to diagnose card issues. However the dumps are usually in hex and you need special knowledge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soden Posted May 30, 2017 Share #215 Posted May 30, 2017 If you want to see the hidden files in Finder, you need to run this text in Terminal: defaults write com.apple.Finder AppleShowAllFiles YES killall Finder You will probably want to reverse this afterwards in which case this is the text for Terminal: defaults write com.apple.Finder AppleShowAllFiles NO killall Finder Wilson Or you can select show hidden files in the finders options menu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted May 30, 2017 Share #216 Posted May 30, 2017 like this > http://www.solidgear.co.jp/eng/product/E_SD%20ANALYZER%20SGDK400.pdf No, there are sector readers that will read everything from sector 0 to the final sector on the physical card. Including the reserved areas for the controller. The vendor uses such tools to diagnose card issues. However the dumps are usually in hex and you need special knowledge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 30, 2017 Share #217 Posted May 30, 2017 It goes beyond that. The formatted file system is all that gets reformatted. There are boot sectors that may or may not get rewritten. Even if they are rewritten when you insert the card all of that is modified by Leica's own code. That's one of the reasons for the recommendation not to use cards in different bodies. Because what looks good to one camera may not work in another. Often cameras will simply ignore non standard data so the cards work. It's kind of a mess. I am wondering: does SDFormatter go beyond a reformat of the file system? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 30, 2017 Share #218 Posted May 30, 2017 It goes beyond that. The formatted file system is all that gets reformatted. There are boot sectors that may or may not get rewritten. Even if they are rewritten when you insert the card all of that is modified by Leica's own code. That's one of the reasons for the recommendation not to use cards in different bodies. Because what looks good to one camera may not work in another. Often cameras will simply ignore non standard data so the cards work. It's kind of a mess. I'm not sure that it exactly right. Leica doesn't write anything directly to the card. The SD controller does. Generally, the only time a camera can ruin a card is when a write is prematurely interrupted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soden Posted May 30, 2017 Share #219 Posted May 30, 2017 like this > http://www.solidgear.co.jp/eng/product/E_SD%20ANALYZER%20SGDK400.pdf Not sure, I get s not found when I try to access that URL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 30, 2017 Share #220 Posted May 30, 2017 Not sure, I get s not found when I try to access that URL Works for me as a PDF download. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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