6bit Posted May 13, 2017 Share #1101 Posted May 13, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Grabbed the Black M10 out of Germany and its headed this way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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6bit Posted May 13, 2017 Share #1102 Posted May 13, 2017 Sheet Bump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude675 Posted May 13, 2017 Share #1103 Posted May 13, 2017 https://leicarumors.com/2013/06/19/delivery-bottlenecks-for-leica-m-camera.aspx/ Nothing really changed since 2013. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Rolf Posted May 13, 2017 Share #1104 Posted May 13, 2017 So much for "lessons learned". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxtwo Posted May 13, 2017 Share #1105 Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) https://leicarumors.com/2013/06/19/delivery-bottlenecks-for-leica-m-camera.aspx/ Nothing really changed since 2013. Edited May 13, 2017 by Foxtwo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxtwo Posted May 13, 2017 Share #1106 Posted May 13, 2017 Same reactions from the peanut gallery too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric1 Posted May 13, 2017 Share #1107 Posted May 13, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) So in 2014 Leica said they would build a factory to keep up with demand and it seems to have done nothing. I think they just haven't released many M10's. If you go on Instagram or other social sites, there aren't a ton of Leica m10 photos pouring in. Maybe its way to create strong product demand over a long period rather than a quick rush at the beginning followed by a drip. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmathias Posted May 15, 2017 Share #1108 Posted May 15, 2017 Each succeeding Leica camera design has more features and higher performance/precision than the previous version and so is harder to build than it's predecessors. If the cameras were built by robots, like cars are, we could expect better and faster factory output. But they are built by people who have to overcome a steep new camera learning curve with each model, and we aren't inventing better people. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6bit Posted May 15, 2017 Share #1109 Posted May 15, 2017 (edited) They could at least get the SD card issues under control. Edited May 15, 2017 by 6bit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxtwo Posted May 15, 2017 Share #1110 Posted May 15, 2017 Each succeeding Leica camera design has more features and higher performance/precision than the previous version and so is harder to build than it's predecessors. If the cameras were built by robots, like cars are, we could expect better and faster factory output. But they are built by people who have to overcome a steep new camera learning curve with each model, and we aren't inventing better people. Who builds the people at Leica who build the cameras? Don't they incorporate firmware and hardware updates to the technicians on a regular basis just like they do with the cameras? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleswolford Posted May 15, 2017 Share #1111 Posted May 15, 2017 Just received my M10 in Prague on the 12th of May..checked the registration booklet and it had a manufacture date of 5th of May. I didn't realize they were distributing them so quickly 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxtwo Posted May 15, 2017 Share #1112 Posted May 15, 2017 (edited) Not concerned about waiting at all, the minions who build the cameras are getting better every day, so we won't have to deal with the lemons coming off the line today. Edited May 15, 2017 by Foxtwo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric1 Posted May 15, 2017 Share #1113 Posted May 15, 2017 If you have an m240 or an m monochrome or even an m9 i can understamd "waiting" may be okay with you. But if your just getting into Leica with the m10 and have already bought lenses, I think it's okay to be annoyed with having to wait many months to use those lenses. When the m11 comes out, I'm sure I will be prepared to wait but i will have an m10 to use still. Just my opinion on waiting. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StS Posted May 15, 2017 Share #1114 Posted May 15, 2017 I'm afraid, this order backlog at the start of a new model can't be avoided with the way these cameras are made. So you run the Leica company and are launching a new model. You anticipate a strong demand in the start phase. But even, if you can find and hire enough Feinwerktechniker or precision mechanics, train them in time to build your new model, you need a plan for the time, when the demand goes back to normal. In Germany, it is not easy to fire them, unless your company is in financial trouble. It would be also a waste, because they become more skilled the longer they stay. If there is a lot of fluctuation, the workforce will never reach a higher level of skilfulness. Stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Posted May 15, 2017 Share #1115 Posted May 15, 2017 On the other hand....what do you/we want ? Some quickly trained and hired temp staff who probably don't identify with the product and don't care about the quality of their work ? That would increase the number of faulty cameras and everyone would scream what happened to the name "Leica" with the high quality standards ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam M Posted May 16, 2017 Share #1116 Posted May 16, 2017 Really don't know whether I should post this or not... Walked into a store today to order an M10 expecting to wait several months. Walked out with an M10. Eek - first M (currently have a Q). If I could afford it, I should be buying flowers for the wife on the way home. May be on the couch tonight. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Posted May 16, 2017 Share #1117 Posted May 16, 2017 Walked into a store where? Waiting patiently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam M Posted May 16, 2017 Share #1118 Posted May 16, 2017 A small country at the bottom of the world! Not saying any more... To be fair, it was being held for someone who was dicking the store around - they had promised payment a week ago and then had disappeared. I think I would have been next in line anyway (so no queue jumping). Feedback was that supply seems to be improving (though we are talking very small numbers down here). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric1 Posted May 16, 2017 Share #1119 Posted May 16, 2017 I think it's fine to pay attention to quality and not rush things but Leica should know by now they will sell a certain amount of cameras with every new model. It just seems like they were unprepared for the demand. Maybe they thought m240 users wouldn't upgrade right away and I think that might be part of the issue. The other part seems to be only supplying small shops with M10's and no big vendors which has made it harder to get for a lot of people who don't live near a camera store. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rqliang Posted May 16, 2017 Share #1120 Posted May 16, 2017 A small country at the bottom of the world! Not saying any more... To be fair, it was being held for someone who was dicking the store around - they had promised payment a week ago and then had disappeared. I think I would have been next in line anyway (so no queue jumping). Feedback was that supply seems to be improving (though we are talking very small numbers down here). Lucky you. I waited 3 months in the same country,and just got mine 1 week before you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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