TDR Posted January 20, 2017 Share #101 Posted January 20, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) While I'm interested in the M10, whether I buy will depend on its color rendition. _______________ Alone in Bangkok essay on BURN Magazine Your work in Burn Magazine is really fine. Shot with a Leica? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ianman Posted January 20, 2017 Share #102 Posted January 20, 2017 Hi All, I just ordered my first Leica camera and looking forward to using it. I ordered it through Adorama. Its been back-ordered as of now. Hope I get it ASAP. hope you got a lens too It looks like a really nice camera, I'm sure you'll be stopping by the "I love my M10" thread soon !!! Enjoy the wait though, anticipation is part of the fun ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
friedeye Posted January 20, 2017 Share #103 Posted January 20, 2017 Took my M9 in yesterday for sensor replacement and had some hands on time with the M10. I'll keep my M9 because I love the look of CCD and can afford to keep it. If I find myself not using it, it'll go to my son. But this M10 is exactly what I was looking for. Base ISO of 100 allows me to shoot wide open in bright light. And the higher ISOs allow me to shoot in the dark - this is an amazing sensor. The size is almost identical to my film Ms. The finder is almost as good as my M3. The ISO dial is perfect. Live View will be great for my sonnar lenses that focus shift. The printed files in the store were gorgeous. The 240 just seemed too... much in too big a package. I don't need video. I want simplicity, compact size, dynamic range, high ISO, low base ISO, and the feel of a film M. This camera ticks all of the boxes. I ordered one in black chrome. But... It's going to be awhile before I get it. The line is long. Leica has been inundated with orders. So... if you even think you might want one in the next year, it's best to order soon. The M10 is already an extremely popular camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjsphd Posted January 20, 2017 Share #104 Posted January 20, 2017 I like the reported improvements, but not enough to shell out full freight. I will slug it out with my M240 until the M10 is available on the used market...way too long from now. I have never used the video. Now that its a relic, I will give it a try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted January 20, 2017 Share #105 Posted January 20, 2017 There were two ways this could have gone (as I posted later) ...... Leica have decided on the retro approach and have culled rather than added features. Clearly now the SL is the future .... the M is the past .... The SteamPunk M10, eh? scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted January 20, 2017 Share #106 Posted January 20, 2017 The viewfinder improvements and the new sensor are what I'd like, along with the improved internal IO. When they make an M10-generation model like the M-D 262, those are the bits I look forward to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey James Posted January 20, 2017 Share #107 Posted January 20, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I stuck with M9's and Monochroms, so the M10 looks very intersting. I was never tempted by the 240 -- don't do video and who would shoot video seriously without zooms ? Sean Reid's very thorough review gave me a sudden and unexpected GAS attack. Using a Q has also sensitized me to the advantages of a better processor. The pixel race seems increasingly meaningless. The M9s and the Q allow me to make convincing 36-inch prints-- I think it's possible to have too many pixels. Haven't been impressed by the look of the Nikon 800, for example. Everything looks a bit over-resolved. So I think this is the one for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Jayant Posted January 20, 2017 Share #108 Posted January 20, 2017 I was not tempted by 240 and up to that updated versions still some more improvement should have taken place. So in M10 they are done viewfinder magnification, battery life and the size, ( in designing ),pixel size, I am not concern about high ISO so I think I must add this to my wishlist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverover Posted January 21, 2017 Share #109 Posted January 21, 2017 I am IN for an M10 asap. I was going to buy a 2nd M240 so i'd have a spare anyway. I very recently had to return my M240 for service and it was torture to be without it as i use it everyday for my work. I've already got a bag of coded M lenses, along with a TL and the new Visoflex EVF as well, so the M10 will slide right into service and will serve my needs. I will relegate the M240 as the "backup" and go-to camera whenever Video is needed using the great glass i have. I am very fine with the preservation of history that is omnipresent in the M when i use it as well as any future direction Leica decides to take the M in, and will continue to learn and navigate and work around any issues or differences that may arise with future models. I am happy that the digital M's are somewhat old-world and unique and haven't had a lot of new "hot-rod" features added, i suppose that's what the other great camera's on the market are better suited for... i prefer to see the M remain true to form and grow slowly. my .02. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilbrown Posted January 21, 2017 Share #110 Posted January 21, 2017 I think it was definitely a camera that was made for M9 users to upgrade (because they weren't interested in the M240). That said, I use both the M9M and M240, as well as the M246, SL and Q (as well as owning the M8, M7 and M4-2 which are also in limited use). I have ordered the M10, and will check it out. The faster frame rate interests me, but with the SL I kind of have more than fast enough, and I've never had issues with shooting speed of either the M240 or (a bit) faster M246. Bottom line, if it makes me want to carry it around I will take it. I often leave my M240.M246 in my bag except for dedicated shoots and carry the M9M around because it is lighter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2017 Share #111 Posted January 21, 2017 Your work in Burn Magazine is really fine. Shot with a Leica? Thanks for looking and for the kind words. Largely shot with Leicas: of 19 pictures in the essay 12 were shot with the M-Monchrom, 4 with the M6 (Tri-X) and 4 with the Ricoh GRD. _______________ Alone in Bangkok essay on BURN Magazine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2017 Share #112 Posted January 21, 2017 I voted "definitely interested" - and may be ordering one tomorrow. Once I have looked at some of the DNG files that are available for download. I would be upgrading from an M9/MM combo, not a 240 (which I skipped altogether).... Do you mean that you'll sell both your M9 and MM? Also, I'll be very interested your further conclusions on the M10 color rendition, which I hope you'll post in the color rendition thread. _______________ Alone in Bangkok essay on BURN Magazine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdannn Posted January 21, 2017 Share #113 Posted January 21, 2017 So essentially, for the most part, the 240 never existed. And on the out of hand slim chance that it did exist, like the one I have in my camera area, it turns out to be clunky, too many features, to heavy, and just not much good. I occasionally used some of the "extra goodies" things in the menu. It provided an interesting experience and a diversion from the norm. I always turned back to the settings of the m9, for example the center weighted exposure, tho' I experimented with the other settings for fun. I use live view once in a while. And I used the video a couple of times and it was kind of fun. Don't really need it, but what the heck, it was there so I got some fun videos. All in all I basically shoot in fully manual mode. The 240 is noticeably heavier than the m9 but it is only 13 grams heavier than the new m10. That's a bit less than 1/2 of an ounce; a troy ounce being 31.1 grams. That may be hardly noticeable for those thinking they are going to get a much lighter camera in the m10. Insofar as the ISO dial, one has to use 2 fingers to pull it up to change ISO. If left in the up position it can change unintentionally. Now call me crazy ( please don't ) but on the 240 I can press the ISO button and see my shutter speed, aperture, and ISO at the same time. And a twist of the thumb wheel changes the ISO. Also if I choose to use Auto ISO, max 500 during the day, it does not matter if I can see the ISO or not. So..... I will certainly play with the m10 in the Leica store near me in Los Angeles. Maybe even rent one. But nope, I am not going to blindly order one and hope for the best. My sad, heavy, lug of a 240 will have to do for a while. If anyone disagrees, please be easy on me. This is just all for fun anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted January 21, 2017 Share #114 Posted January 21, 2017 drdannn - yeah, it's a sign of the times. Everything either has to be demonized and ranted against and obliterated from existence - or treated as the Holy Grail. No one can just hold an opinion without resorting to total war in defending it. At least in some cases - many posts here do have some nuance, however. I stuck with the M9 over the M240 for much the same reason you are happy to stick with the 240 now - no obvious additional functionality for my purposes. Which is intelligent. I planned to keep my M9 for 10 years. As it happens, it made it to more than 7. And as a backup body (to answer Nowhereman's question) will probably go the full 10. (Which - BTW - is a record for me. I can't think of any single camera (except perhaps Nikon Fs, and an old beater Yashica-D) that I used continuously for 7 years, let alone 10.) I expect the 240 will - and should - keep you happy for equally long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 21, 2017 Share #115 Posted January 21, 2017 mine arrived today...the best digital M yet. Thanks Leica for listening to our whining and delivering everything we asked for. Build quality is exceptional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2017 Share #116 Posted January 21, 2017 ...I planned to keep my M9 for 10 years. As it happens, it made it to more than 7. And as a backup body (to answer Nowhereman's question) will probably go the full 10... Thanks, but I'm curious whether you are also selling the MM? _______________ Alone in Bangkok essay on BURN Magazine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted January 21, 2017 Share #117 Posted January 21, 2017 I stuck with M9's and Monochroms, so the M10 looks very intersting. I was never tempted by the 240 -- don't do video and who would shoot video seriously without zooms ? Sean Reid's very thorough review gave me a sudden and unexpected GAS attack. Using a Q has also sensitized me to the advantages of a better processor. The pixel race seems increasingly meaningless. The M9s and the Q allow me to make convincing 36-inch prints-- I think it's possible to have too many pixels. Haven't been impressed by the look of the Nikon 800, for example. Everything looks a bit over-resolved. So I think this is the one for me. Is Sean Reid's site now readable with iOS devices? I always liked his reviews and had several years of subscription but ended that when my reading habits changed towards an iPad. In a few decades time the M240 will be remembered as the M5 digital. Leica engineers had some good ideas and crammed a lot of tech into a slightly bloated camera and the character it lost in the meantime was resurrected with the wonderful M4 and later M6. The M10 does look a bit like an M6 to me ;-) Too bad I missed the M10 by just a few weeks, having left from an Europe trip earlier otherwise that horrid M246 would have been gone and I could twirl my ISOs all day long the way I like it :-) You M10 users have fun! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambot-M Posted January 21, 2017 Share #118 Posted January 21, 2017 hope you got a lens too It looks like a really nice camera, I'm sure you'll be stopping by the "I love my M10" thread soon !!! Enjoy the wait though, anticipation is part of the fun ! I have also ordered a 28mm summicron and 50mm summilux (both 2nd hand) . I will mostly get the lenses before the body. I am moving from a Nikon system, so I can give the lenses a shot with my current camera and then with the M10. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 21, 2017 Share #119 Posted January 21, 2017 Not with a Nikon DSLR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilbrown Posted January 21, 2017 Share #120 Posted January 21, 2017 So essentially, for the most part, the 240 never existed. And on the out of hand slim chance that it did exist, like the one I have in my camera area, it turns out to be clunky, too many features, to heavy, and just not much good. I occasionally used some of the "extra goodies" things in the menu. It provided an interesting experience and a diversion from the norm. I always turned back to the settings of the m9, for example the center weighted exposure, tho' I experimented with the other settings for fun. I use live view once in a while. And I used the video a couple of times and it was kind of fun. Don't really need it, but what the heck, it was there so I got some fun videos. All in all I basically shoot in fully manual mode. The 240 is noticeably heavier than the m9 but it is only 13 grams heavier than the new m10. That's a bit less than 1/2 of an ounce; a troy ounce being 31.1 grams. That may be hardly noticeable for those thinking they are going to get a much lighter camera in the m10. Insofar as the ISO dial, one has to use 2 fingers to pull it up to change ISO. If left in the up position it can change unintentionally. Now call me crazy ( please don't ) but on the 240 I can press the ISO button and see my shutter speed, aperture, and ISO at the same time. And a twist of the thumb wheel changes the ISO. Also if I choose to use Auto ISO, max 500 during the day, it does not matter if I can see the ISO or not. So..... I will certainly play with the m10 in the Leica store near me in Los Angeles. Maybe even rent one. But nope, I am not going to blindly order one and hope for the best. My sad, heavy, lug of a 240 will have to do for a while. If anyone disagrees, please be easy on me. This is just all for fun anyway. In the new LFI there are ads for the M242 and M10. Maybe this is just to sell off the remaining stock, but as of yet the M240 hasn't gone down in price. I think the idea that the M9 directly predicates the M10, and the M240 directly predicates the SL and TL is possibly more the idea. No one at Leica is saying the M240 was a bad idea, for instance. Its sort of the M for people coming into manual focusing rangefinders from and SLR. Maybe the Q replaces this as the gateway drug (as Thorsten called the Q) but I seriously doubt it. You have to USE an actual rangefinder to get it. I wonder what the M10-P will be like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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