"Leica M10 - Expect Simplicity" (overgaard.dk)

[efour]

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Dear Mr Overgaard,

Sorry to be a bit off topic, I just want to know is there any possible way to un-subscribe the marketing email automatically send from your web site ?

I had like 3-5 of them every other days. I tried searching how to un-subscribe on your web site but I haven't seen where I can do so.

Thanks in advance. 

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[wlaidlaw]

4 hours ago, efour said:

Dear Mr Overgaard,

Sorry to be a bit off topic, I just want to know is there any possible way to un-subscribe the marketing email automatically send from your web site ?

I had like 3-5 of them every other days. I tried searching how to un-subscribe on your web site but I haven't seen where I can do so.

Thanks in advance. 

No nothing seems to stop this FFFFFFFing man from sending his daily spam. I have gone as far as making a formal complaint to the Danish authorities and I got back a number of replies from them, which said they had been made aware of the problem from a number of sources and were working towards a solution of the issue. Well that was over a year ago and I am still receiving his c**p, so their work rate must be glacial. I have set up filters so his mail goes straight to junk on Outlook and I clear it out once a month without even looking at it. I would like to meet him in person, so I could express my appreciation of his endless unstoppable junk spam. 

Wilson

[MikeMyers]

@wlaidlawI agree with the unwanted "spam", although I was easy able to stop most of it on my Mac.  He offers so much good information that it's difficult to remain upset at him.  I'm mostly using Apple Mail for my email but I also still have Microsoft Outlook.  Both provide tools to handle unwanted email.  What email program are you using?

[wlaidlaw]

3 hours ago, MikeMyers said:

@wlaidlawI agree with the unwanted "spam", although I was easy able to stop most of it on my Mac.  He offers so much good information that it's difficult to remain upset at him.  I'm mostly using Apple Mail for my email but I also still have Microsoft Outlook.  Both provide tools to handle unwanted email.  What email program are you using?

Outlook. I keep blocking him but he keeps using new addresses, so I just tell Outlook that anything containing his name anywhere goes straight to spam. 

Wilson

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13 hours ago, efour said:

Dear Mr Overgaard,

Sorry to be a bit off topic, I just want to know is there any possible way to un-subscribe the marketing email automatically send from your web site ?

I had like 3-5 of them every other days. I tried searching how to un-subscribe on your web site but I haven't seen where I can do so.

Thanks in advance. 

 

8 hours ago, wlaidlaw said:

No nothing seems to stop this FFFFFFFing man from sending his daily spam. I have gone as far as making a formal complaint to the Danish authorities and I got back a number of replies from them, which said they had been made aware of the problem from a number of sources and were working towards a solution of the issue. Well that was over a year ago and I am still receiving his c**p, so their work rate must be glacial. I have set up filters so his mail goes straight to junk on Outlook and I clear it out once a month without even looking at it. I would like to meet him in person, so I could express my appreciation of his endless unstoppable junk spam. 

Wilson

Use Apple’s Hide my Email, if you’re an Apple user. https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/icloud/mm9d9012c9e8/icloud

Sign up to whatever mailing list you want to, but use hide my email instead of providing your actual email. Apple creates a dummy email address the gets forwarded to your normal email. Sick of getting emails then de-activate the hide my email address and they stop.

I now use this on everything. It also stops your email being shared around the web and if it is shared/sold you know who did it.

If you have an email app that has rules, then set up a rule to filter the email and dump it or send it back to him.

Edited September 21, 2022 by OThomas

[wlaidlaw]

Unfortunately I don't use Apple Mail but only Outlook, as I prefer its organisation facilities and integration to Apple Mail, which always struck me as Apple's weakest product. I do have a number of "dummy" email addresses I can use. 

Wilson

[MikeMyers]

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I've got both Apple Mail, and Outlook.  It's an old version of Outlook - I don't want to rent office-365, and it's a pain (and expensive) to buy the latest Outlook.  I tried to buy it, twice, and gave up.  For me, Apple Mail is "good enough", not to mention it's free.

It used to be easy - buy the latest Office, and all my stuff got updated for another few years.  Now Microsoft is pushing the subscription package too hard.  I was on the phone, ready to place my order, but got disgusted with the complexity.

 

I keep looking for something newer and better.

[johnwolf]

32 minutes ago, wlaidlaw said:

Unfortunately I don't use Apple Mail but only Outlook, as I prefer its organisation facilities and integration to Apple Mail, which always struck me as Apple's weakest product. I do have a number of "dummy" email addresses I can use. 

Wilson

In Outlook you should be able to add a rule to handle his mails. Maybe forward them back to him. 

[Overgaard]

18 hours ago, efour said:

Dear Mr Overgaard,

Sorry to be a bit off topic, I just want to know is there any possible way to un-subscribe the marketing email automatically send from your web site ?

I had like 3-5 of them every other days. I tried searching how to un-subscribe on your web site but I haven't seen where I can do so.

Thanks in advance. 

There is always an unsubscribe link in the bottom of any email. Click it and you're off the mailing list and cannot be added again. 

[MikeMyers]

27 minutes ago, Overgaard said:

There is always an unsubscribe link in the bottom of any email. Click it and you're off the mailing list and cannot be added again. 

Actually, I did that recently, as a test, and it worked.  No more emails.  Also, after reading your M10 page from top to bottom twice now, I got to wondering how you would feel with other non-Leica cameras, and am now half-way through watching your video on the Fuji X-Pro2.  I found that interesting, as I'm constantly comparing my M10 to my Fuji X100F.  As you noted, I wondered why Fuji has a zillion and one functions, while the M10 gets by with so few.  My Fuji is packed away, my Nikon DSLR's are being sold, and I'm now wondering how to the the most out of my M10.

I look at your photos, and the composition, and how you create the finished image, and then I wonder how I can use that to improve my own photos.   The one thing you haven't yet written about, is how you create your compositions, and maybe that's something that can't be put into words.  Or, maybe you have already done so, and I haven't yet found it.

[Overgaard]

2 minutes ago, MikeMyers said:

Actually, I did that recently, as a test, and it worked.  No more emails.  Also, after reading your M10 page from top to bottom twice now, I got to wondering how you would feel with other non-Leica cameras, and am now half-way through watching your video on the Fuji X-Pro2.  I found that interesting, as I'm constantly comparing my M10 to my Fuji X100F.  As you noted, I wondered why Fuji has a zillion and one functions, while the M10 gets by with so few.  My Fuji is packed away, my Nikon DSLR's are being sold, and I'm now wondering how to the the most out of my M10.

I look at your photos, and the composition, and how you create the finished image, and then I wonder how I can use that to improve my own photos.   The one thing you haven't yet written about, is how you create your compositions, and maybe that's something that can't be put into words.  Or, maybe you have already done so, and I haven't yet found it.

I did the "Composition in Photography - The Photographer as Storyteller" eBook ( http://ebooks.thorsten-overgaard.com ) but will maybe do some more articles on small subjects of it. The book is about the elements of composition, and I guess also how I compose. But recently I find that small advice articles on specific subjects might be a good idea, so those are coming as "Story Behind That Picture".

I think the best advice is 1) The main element in composition is light, and 2) when it looks right, it is right. 

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[MikeMyers]

From going through your B&W photos, I think there is a lot more to it than that.  When you have vertical lines in your photos, they are usually parallel.  The shapes are distributed in your photos in a way that feels "balanced" and "pleasing.  The exposure never looks "wrong".  The sharpest part of the image is almost always at the "heart" of the image.  I won't argue with what you wrote, "when it looks right, it is right", but I've gotten to think that most people don't recognize how to make it "look right".  I know I struggle with that, and if I think it looks right, and put it off to the side, and come back to it an hour or whatever later, it no longer "looks right".  So I change it, and do it again, until I no longer have an idea how to make it better.  I'm talking about "art" here, not "technology", and I'm no longer convinced that "art" can be taught.  

I think you do a superb job of teaching "technology", how to get our tools to work at their best.  This forum does that wonderfully, too.  But that's not enough - it's only a start.

So, I'm back to what you wrote "1) The main element in composition is light, and 2) when it looks right, it is right. "  That being the case, maybe several small articles on "how to get it to look right" would be very helpful, much more so than learning technical details.   I know I would enjoy reading and learning from them.

[Jeff S]

I’m sure he’d be happy to have you pay for his workshops and/or courses.  But one needs to develop his/her own eye/style IMO. Museums and galleries are full of art if one is looking for inspiration. In-person teachings/workshops might at least provide feedback on your work; not meant to copy the teacher. But my belief is that, certainly by late in life, one either has developed a ‘good eye’ or not. There is no shortage of compositional ‘rules’, which have been covered ad nauseam in books, articles, videos, etc. All meant to be broken.

Jeff

 

[efour]

3 hours ago, Overgaard said:

There is always an unsubscribe link in the bottom of any email. Click it and you're off the mailing list and cannot be added again. 

Thank you so much for the information.

[wlaidlaw]

9 hours ago, Overgaard said:

There is always an unsubscribe link in the bottom of any email. Click it and you're off the mailing list and cannot be added again. 

Well why don't you pay attention to it when it is clicked or ensure that the unsubscribe link actually works (it doesn't). I have tried to unsubscribe numerous times without success. Other forum members have complained about the same thing. It really is beyond irritating to continue to receive unwanted mail endlessly, sometimes three or four a day. If your unsubscribe link worked, why would people have complained to the Danish IT Authorities have received complaints about your spam activities? 

 

[MikeMyers]

11 hours ago, Jeff S said:

I’m sure he’d be happy to have you pay for his workshops and/or courses.  But one needs to develop his/her own eye/style IMO. Museums and galleries are full of art if one is looking for inspiration. In-person teachings/workshops might at least provide feedback on your work; not meant to copy the teacher. But my belief is that, certainly by late in life, one either has developed a ‘good eye’ or not. There is no shortage of compositional ‘rules’, which have been covered ad nauseam in books, articles, videos, etc. All meant to be broken.

In this forum, there is always a section where any/all of us can post our photos.  I've used that for a long time, but there is rarely any "feedback".  Maybe that's a good thing, or maybe not.  I own an M8.2 and an M10, and that's where my photos go, when I feel like posting.  As for me, if I like what someone else has posted, I feel like saying so in the discussion, and what it was that appealed to me.  If I don't like something, I say nothing.  Maybe starting today, I will add a line "please say what you like or dislike about this photo - I would like the feedback".

Back to Mr. Overgaard, I can't say I "enjoy" all his photos, because they may or may not appeal to me.  But he never posts photos that aren't what I would consider both "technically perfect" along with being pleasing to the eye.  I figure that for every image he posts, there are 100 that he didn't think were "good enough".  

The posts he is referring to in this thread, are incredibly long.  It's more than I can read in one day.  I read everything, start to finish, when I was in India, and now that I'm home with my M10 in front of me, I went through them again.  While watching the Red Dot Forum two-hour discussions, I found that they had a different way to use the camera, using the "auto" features.  I prefer what Overgaard wrote, as it leaves me "more in control".  If I want "auto" I figure I should go back to my Nikon DSLR's.  

A year ago, I got lazy, and spoiled, and got used to using the Visoflex.  I've changed my mind, at least for a while, and I put the Visoflex away, in case for some reason I really need it.  I've also stopped using "Live View" for similar reasons.  

To me, no matter how nice the M10 is, it's still just "a tool", just like a wrench would be to a mechanic.  From that point of view, I think it explains why I enjoy what Overgaard writes, as I'm constantly trying to learn from what he writes, to be able to make better use of my M10 to create images that I have decided to capture.  Ain't nuthin' easy......  .....and I'm my own worst critic.   ......which is why I continue to read through those very long articles, looking for something new that I haven't yet learned.

[Overgaard]

5 hours ago, wlaidlaw said:

Well why don't you pay attention to it when it is clicked or ensure that the unsubscribe link actually works (it doesn't). I have tried to unsubscribe numerous times without success. Other forum members have complained about the same thing. It really is beyond irritating to continue to receive unwanted mail endlessly, sometimes three or four a day. If your unsubscribe link worked, why would people have complained to the Danish IT Authorities have received complaints about your spam activities? 

 

Mailchimp runs the campaigns, and the unsubscribe link does work for minimum 30 days (it's the law). The unsubscribe link is always added to any email automatically. Else feel free to email me at thorsten@overgaard.dk and I will investigate. Also, if you have different email addresses, they are in the same system (but then you would get the same mail several times within minutes and should unsubscribe at least all but one; or all if you don't want any mails). 

As for Danish IT Authorities ... such a thing doesn't exist. Besides that, the campaigns are sent from me in the US where I live. 

Spam is per definition unrequested mail sent to many at the same time, and we get tons of that every day with offers to get 5,000,000 from UN, Microsoft, or meet girls from India, or pay because else you will be reported to the Danish IT Authorities 😉 

Having done email campaigns for 10+ years, I can say that people mostly unsubscribe when they have gotten fed up with emails in general. I do the same, I have days where I just want to unsubscribe from everything. Rightfully so, some emails I subscribed to when I was into that subject, and not I am not interested in it anymore. If I send out a "very spammy" campaigns about buying this or that, a certain percentage of people unsubscribe. If I send out a very informative article for free, with beautiful pictures, the same percentage unsubscribe, sometimes even more. Which is very interesting, because it tell you it is the email medium in itself we get fed up with, and also; the better crafted the message is, the higher is the percentage of attention, but also higher unsubscribes. 

On the other side, I check my spam folder every day because anyone who is not in my address book may end up there. If I didn't I would miss a lot of important messages, questions, etc. 

Pain of living in this day and age. Lots of emails. I thin too much of something is always a problem. Too many pictures on IG, too many advertisements on websites. How to get only what is relevant for you? 

Though, I will say that I find more pleasure in reading my emails than emptying my mailbox outside the house, because that one is 99% advertising and very few actual letters.

I wish more people would write postcards and letters by hand. It's a healthy thing to do, and it's a pleasure to receive. 

 

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[Jeff S]

57 minutes ago, MikeMyers said:

In this forum, there is always a section where any/all of us can post our photos.  I've used that for a long time, but there is rarely any "feedback".  Maybe that's a good thing, or maybe not.  I own an M8.2 and an M10, and that's where my photos go, when I feel like posting.  As for me, if I like what someone else has posted, I feel like saying so in the discussion, and what it was that appealed to me.  If I don't like something, I say nothing.  Maybe starting today, I will add a line "please say what you like or dislike about this photo - I would like the feedback".

Back to Mr. Overgaard, I can't say I "enjoy" all his photos, because they may or may not appeal to me.  But he never posts photos that aren't what I would consider both "technically perfect" along with being pleasing to the eye.  I figure that for every image he posts, there are 100 that he didn't think were "good enough".  

The posts he is referring to in this thread, are incredibly long.  It's more than I can read in one day.  I read everything, start to finish, when I was in India, and now that I'm home with my M10 in front of me, I went through them again.  While watching the Red Dot Forum two-hour discussions, I found that they had a different way to use the camera, using the "auto" features.  I prefer what Overgaard wrote, as it leaves me "more in control".  If I want "auto" I figure I should go back to my Nikon DSLR's.  

A year ago, I got lazy, and spoiled, and got used to using the Visoflex.  I've changed my mind, at least for a while, and I put the Visoflex away, in case for some reason I really need it.  I've also stopped using "Live View" for similar reasons.  

To me, no matter how nice the M10 is, it's still just "a tool", just like a wrench would be to a mechanic.  From that point of view, I think it explains why I enjoy what Overgaard writes, as I'm constantly trying to learn from what he writes, to be able to make better use of my M10 to create images that I have decided to capture.  Ain't nuthin' easy......  .....and I'm my own worst critic.   ......which is why I continue to read through those very long articles, looking for something new that I haven't yet learned.

Forum photo feedback is a total waste of time.  If you think otherwise, then maybe you’ve never experienced critical feedback from a respected teacher or group. I suggest you stop reading all those articles, get out and take more pics and look at all kinds of art for inspiration and guidance. Maybe attend a workshop from respected photographer and teacher. You’re 78, right?  The technical stuff should be the easy part by now; articles won’t develop your eye and judgment, which is the crux of the matter. My two cents. 
 

Jeff

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[Alberti]

Totally agree , jeff

But apart from that, Thorsten does take and process very nice. 

Edited September 24, 2022 by Alberti

[MikeMyers]

1 hour ago, Alberti said:

But apart from that, Thorsten does take and process very nice. 

As an example of what is possible, he does that very well, and while I have no intention of copying him, I do think a lot about why I feel that way about his photos.  They are certainly an inspiration for me to do better.  I just have to be honest with myself as to WHY his photos work so well, and what things does he (not) do, to maintain that quality.  I think it starts with him having a well-trained eye, along with learning from his own experiences.