pico Posted January 16, 2017 Share #61 Posted January 16, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, I'm sure the M10 has WiFi. That's the reason why there is a FCC filing. And the test report is here: https://fccid.io/document.php?id=3193286 I would not download from that site. It looks like it installs malware along with the package. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted January 16, 2017 Share #62 Posted January 16, 2017 Nah - just Amazon, Doubleclick and Google. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristotle Posted January 16, 2017 Share #63 Posted January 16, 2017 A few things.... First, the document linked above doesn't seem to be for the M10. In any case, you have to do FCC testing regardless of if you have an active transmitter on / in the device. The testing is different, but you still need to demonstrate that your device doesn't emit rf at levels beyond what is allowable by the FCC (and other agencies globally.) Regarding advanced "features", the discussion of the M7 is interesting. I don't have aperture priority of course on the M6, but I do on the 262. Personally, I don't find that very useful on M-series cameras, and probably won't in the future unless the meter is changed out with something entirely different. As it is, I know based on experience how the meter is going to tell me to expose, when it's going to be to much or too little. If I used aperture priority, I'd end up needing to dial up exposure compensation for every shot because what and where I want to expose for. It's so much easier, for me at least, to set the aperture, and adjust the shutter speed based on how far off of the meter's recommendation I want to be for the scene in question. All based on clicks of the dial without ever looking away from the viewfinder. I'm all for having the option to use Aperture priority, but unless it comes for free in terms of camera size, cost, whatever... it doesn't make sense. Same goes for some of the "features" that are being discussed for the M10 (to me...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 16, 2017 Share #64 Posted January 16, 2017 I suspect the M10 is a camera aimed specifically at the traditional strength of the M system - optical viewfinder with manual lenses between 28 & 90 focal range. The question remains - is Leica saying for the rest, use either the TL or SL? or will they offer a further development of the M(240)? Some will say an enhanced M(240) crowds the L mount cameras, and besides the L mount is better for the "enhancements" many here want. My view is there is a place for an M mount, manual camera, with movable patch etc, which does not go as far as the SL. That said, the SL really is very good. Coupled with M cameras, which recognise the limitations of the rangefinder, we have fantastic choices. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted January 16, 2017 Share #65 Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) is Leica saying for the rest, use either the TL or SL? or will they offer a further development of the M(240)? Some will say an enhanced M(240) crowds the L mount cameras, and besides the L mount is better for the "enhancements" many here want. My view is there is a place for an M mount, manual camera, with movable patch etc, which does not go as far as the SL I really hope Edited January 16, 2017 by siangue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 16, 2017 Share #66 Posted January 16, 2017 I suspect the M10 is a camera aimed specifically at the traditional strength of the M system - optical viewfinder with manual lenses between 28 & 90 focal range. The question remains - is Leica saying for the rest, use either the TL or SL? or will they offer a further development of the M(240)? Some will say an enhanced M(240) crowds the L mount cameras, and besides the L mount is better for the "enhancements" many here want. My view is there is a place for an M mount, manual camera, with movable patch etc, which does not go as far as the SL. That said, the SL really is very good. Coupled with M cameras, which recognise the limitations of the rangefinder, we have fantastic choices. I'm sure the SL is very good, excellent even, but it is just not my camera. If Leica really wants to push me in that direction, they are pushing me out of the fold... I am an M customer, so the SL and T won't work. I want (and I am aware that YMMV) an M that is as versatile as possible. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted January 16, 2017 Share #67 Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I want a Modern M for my M lenses not that M-regression Edited January 16, 2017 by siangue 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 16, 2017 Share #68 Posted January 16, 2017 Precisely. I may be old and creaky, just like Leica categorizes the Leica M customer base, but that does not mean that I am behind times and a nostalgic Luddite, stuck in the 1960ies 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 16, 2017 Share #69 Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) I'm sure the SL is very good, excellent even, but it is just not my camera. If Leica really wants to push me in that direction, they are pushing me out of the fold... I am an M customer, so the SL and T won't work. I want (and I am aware that YMMV) an M that is as versatile as possible. Agreed, wholeheartedly. I've never been closer to feeling pushed out of the fold, as you put it. But I'm still reserving judgement. I hope we're wrong about the signals regarding the M10. I hope they are just superficial and that it really is not the nostalgic exercise that appearances suggest. Leica may surprise us with a very capable modern camera. We'll know in two days' time, presumably. Edited January 16, 2017 by Peter H 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverover Posted January 16, 2017 Share #70 Posted January 16, 2017 It seems that Leica attempts to cover many bases by offering a range of Cameras and Lenses to hopefully satisfy most user's needs. Personally i like that each model has its own features and following and that not all of the features crossover from model to model, otherwise, we might just have 1 hugely priced camera that did everything that every other major brand of camera does and clearly, that is not what Leica is about or what it's devotees want. I will be happy to accept the New M in any form they deem it to be, we can't seem to affect it's evolution anyway. I may keep my existing M or replace it with the New M or i can ignore the new model... we all have choices. I am still loving my M. It is not old, it is not obsolete and I get photographs that i am happy with when I use it. I suppose I am happy to eat what they offer to feed us. I can complain if i want too, it's my choice to express myself too, but i can see from reading so many older Leica reviews and posts here that it seems to have no real effect on the Company or it's products. Frankly, I am excited to see what future direction they feel the M should go in. I do know this, it will seemingly Cost too much and it's likely that many will be sold, some to veteran M users and some to New M users. In some ways, i see a company like Apple doing this to customers, they force us into the future with change and upgrades with their products and culture and generally, i do feel their products have enhanced my life experience. Just my .02 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 16, 2017 Share #71 Posted January 16, 2017 Well, your Defender is out of production too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverover Posted January 16, 2017 Share #72 Posted January 16, 2017 Well, your Defender is out of production too. yes, and still working as intended too! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted January 16, 2017 Share #73 Posted January 16, 2017 In some ways, i see a company like Apple doing this to customers, they force us into the future with change and upgrades with their products and culture and generally, i do feel their products have enhanced my life experience The apple culture is run by a whole lot of white men that exclude others is that really the world you want? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverover Posted January 16, 2017 Share #74 Posted January 16, 2017 The apple culture is run by a whole lot of white men that exclude others is that really the world you want? ..my Apple comment is about the fact that they seemingly evolve their products and direction based on their own research, technological advances and in-house decision making machine. I merely stated that i have been satisfied with the technological direction that i have been moved into with upgrades of their products and technology. I do not always love it, but in the big picture, it seems to work on many levels for so many. I don't see Apple as being that much different from many other Large self-serving corporation, Leica included. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 16, 2017 Share #75 Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) yes, and still working as intended too! Isn't that the point? Those who love their M(240) cameras can continue to use them. The M10 (if it's as "limited" as many here fear) with have no impact on the cameras you currently own, and it will not necessarily limit future M variants. It sounds like the M10 will have a clip-on EVF, so what's missing? Video? Hmm, hardly core M territory, though I understand some like it and use it. Perhaps Leica will release a video capable version next. I don't really see any reason for the gnashing of teeth; the M10 will still be the best rangefinder on the market. Edited January 16, 2017 by IkarusJohn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverover Posted January 16, 2017 Share #76 Posted January 16, 2017 Isn't that the point? Those who live their M(240) cameras can continue to use them. The M10 (if it's as "limited" as many here fear) withh have no impact on the cameras tou currently own, and it will not necessarily limit future M variants. It sounds like the M10 will have a clip-on EVF, so what's missing? Video? Hmm, hardly core M territory, though I understand some like it and use it. Perhaps Leica will release a video capable version next. I don't really see any reason for the gnashing of teeth; the M10 will still be the best rangefinder on the market. Sounds like you agree with me. All my post stated is that i personally AM ok with Leica's decisions. Read my post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joakim Posted January 16, 2017 Share #77 Posted January 16, 2017 Not saying you're wrong but since when is an M a "Medium-format digital SLR camera" ? FCC is about many other devices apart from cameras so for them it might be natural to refer to the size of the camera rather than the size of a component inside the camera that must be irrelevant to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted January 16, 2017 Share #78 Posted January 16, 2017 ..my Apple comment is about the fact that they seemingly evolve their products and direction based on their own research, technological advances and in-house decision making machine. I merely stated that i have been satisfied with the technological direction that i have been moved into with upgrades of their products and technology. I do not always love it, but in the big picture, it seems to work on many levels for so many. I don't see Apple as being that much different from many other Large self-serving corporation, Leica included. In my experience Apple has dumbed down its products in recent years. I used to be an Apple enthusiast, but the last few Apple products that I have bought have been distinctly disappointing. I would say that the peak for really effective Apple products was about 5 years ago. I hope that Leica does not go in the same direction. William 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted January 16, 2017 Share #79 Posted January 16, 2017 The apple culture is run by a whole lot of white men that exclude others is that really the world you want? While I don't agree with this comment at all, I don't either feel that Apple products are life enhancing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 16, 2017 Share #80 Posted January 16, 2017 Isn't that the point? Those who live their M(240) cameras can continue to use them. The M10 (if it's as "limited" as many here fear) withh have no impact on the cameras tou currently own, and it will not necessarily limit future M variants. It sounds like the M10 will have a clip-on EVF, so what's missing? Video? Hmm, hardly core M territory, though I understand some like it and use it. Perhaps Leica will release a video capable version next. I don't really see any reason for the gnashing of teeth; the M10 will still be the best rangefinder on the market. The reason I'm gnashing my teeth (!) is because though my M is a very good camera there are areas that I'd like to see improved, areas in which technological progress has made improvement perfectly possible. If Leica choose to ignore progress (I doubt they will, but many seem to be encouraging them to do so) then Ivshall feel very frustrated and, indeed, let down. That my M will still make the same photos as it did a few days previously is no reason for me to feel good about a missed opportunity. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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