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Whenever the new M arrives, who's going to buy one?

chris_tribble

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I plan to continue taking pics with what I have (M240) and not give much thought until a new camera exists.  And, even then, I'll await reliability reports and, if still interested, make tests shooting and using my own print workflow.  

 

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luigi bertolotti

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It's a bit of a challenge - and unless the M10 is a really compelling offer it's still an open question for me.  The transitions from M8 to M8.2 to M9 to M-240 offered real improvements on image quality and functionality.  The 240 is going to be a very hard act to follow!

 

Interested to hear how others plan to act.

I transitioned M8 to M240---> big improvement, DID worth the spending, and M8 lasted 6 full years... some more MP, 10-20.000 ISO and, in case, some millimeters less, won't make me buy : I tend to think more of a satisfactory and long lifespan for my gear... I admit that a better EVF could be a temptation... but am even not so sure that it's a suffcient trigger... so, to answer your question my only sure act will be to look with curiosity at what will arrive : should nothing arrive in 2017... that's the same (apart of the funny discussing in the magic weeks just BEFORE the official disclosure... which is Always a genuine pleasure :) )

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I've enjoyed shooting with the new Fujis (Xpro/XT2) so much in the past two months that I don't think I will buy the M10, especially after my M-P240 gave me shutter trouble on a major trip and then spent 10 weeks in repair (after which I sold it). I hear the M10 will be announced on 17 Jan 2017, will use a variation of the SL sensor, be as thin as an M6, have a bigger viewfinder and no video. It should appeal to a lot of people but my priorities have changed - the Fujis can do everything I want in the portable/travel/everyday  camera space. And the S continues to cover every higher ambition of mine with aplomb. 

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My opinion is that the M-P 240 is so good it would take a lot to open my wallet ... at least until the dust settles down, firmware updates are made, snags sorted, and a M-P version is released.

I don't think it will be called the M10 as the M240 is effectively the M10. Just my view.

 

Now is probably a good time to fall asleep until announcements are made. :lol: 

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I believe Leica is getting the sensor from a third party company - it might have been Panasonic. Nothing would stop Leica to go with a different supplier (Sony?) or use the current supplier with newer sensor technology. I am fairly convinced that the M system would see an increase in sales if a more powerful sensor (however we might define this now) would be added for a competitive price.

The sensor on the 240 is designed by Cmosis (Belgium) and made by STmicroelectronics (France). The Q sensor is designed by Towerjazz (Israel) a subsidiary of Panasonic and possibly made by ST.

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Rick

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I am absolutely positively not going to buy this new camera!  No way.  No how.  Never in a million years.

 

I don't need a new camera.  I'm happy with what I got.  More than happy. 

 

The whole idea is silly.

 

 

RickLeica  :)

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I am absolutely positively not going to buy this new camera!  No way.  No how.  Never in a million years.

I don't need a new camera.  I'm happy with what I got.  More than happy.

The whole idea is silly.

 

I am not buying any new technology while Trump is in power.

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John Black

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I think SL falls into one of categories for most people - either they like their M and the SL just doesn't replicate a M experience or feel, or they love the EVF and going back to the OVF / RF focusing feels clumsy.

 

I fall into the former - the SL is great for accuracy, but the shooting experience is somewhat diminished.  I don't like the bigger camera aspect, it's quite heavy, always have to move magnification box because it automatically recenters, there is no auto magnification (like the M-240 with EVF), and so on.  I like the SL, but I prefer the feel of the M lenses on the M-P & M-246.  That said, I agree the with the latter group as well - focusing the 75 Lux on the M-P and trying to do off-center framing just seem silly and needlessly complicated now.  

 

So for the M-10, it has to have a much better EVF implementation - higher resolution, moveable magnification box and reduced shutter lag compared to what is today.  I've been saying the same thing for more or 2-3 years.  If the new M-10 doesn't address those issues, then I'll keep my current M's and that's that.

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Won't be making the jump as I've just picked up the M-P this year  :D I don't feel that there's any limitations to the current M, pretty happy to shoot at 3200 if required.

 

Maybe a MF sensor to compliment the M in the future. 

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cirke

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So for the M-10, it has to have a much better EVF implementation - higher resolution, moveable magnification box and reduced shutter lag compared to what is today.  I've been saying the same thing for more or 2-3 years.  If the new M-10 doesn't address those issues, then I'll keep my current M's and that's that.

 

better EVF + a better buffer capacity and speed, the M240 is too slow to open and react

I don't need/want a higher resolution

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No plans to buy the new M. I have an M240 and love it. Loads more photography fun to get from that camera yet. Maybe once they release the M-10 monochrome then I'll give them all my money to have a second body. But I'll probably just cave in and get the mm246 beforehand anyway.

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Interesting responses.  I note that for most people the loss of video is a non-issue, so if the new M doesn't have it, it's not going to be a deal breaker for many (though it will raise concerns for me), and I also hear some of my feelings echoed re the SL.  It may be that those of us who do buy the M10 (or whatever number it has) will be looking for:

 

  1. improved ergonomics
  2. reduced weight
  3. improved EVF (This will make a lot of difference for me as I want something much better than the current M-240's solution.  I can guess the framing with the 21, but would rather have an optically correct view + I can focus the 90 and 135 reasonably accurately, but I know I could do better with a good EVF).
  4. Above all, I'll be looking for a step up in image quality.  For me this would mean a base ISO of 50 or 100 and field leading performance up to 6400.  

If we have all of these + the option of black chrome instead of paint I'll keep my name on the list that at least one London based dealer has now started (I'm number 2).  Whether I go for two straight away, or try running an M10 and M-240 in parallel I'm unsure... 

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I only take pictures for myself and so was content with one body and not too concerned when it was away for weeks recovering from a fall. However I recently volunteered (was volunteered) to take pictures of an amateur dramatic production and was in a constant state of panic in case my camera failed. I shan't take pictures for someone else again without having a backup. So, either an SL or the next M.

The play was Martin McDonagh's Pillowman; the lighting was - unhelpful.

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But you did a good job!

I've used a series of M digitals for stage and music work for years, with great results.  However, I always have a DSLR with 70-200 f2.8 lens along with me.  For close work the Ms + 28 / 50 work very well.  If you can't get close into the stage then the DSLR with good autofocus (I use 5D mkIII + Canon L series lens) is essential.  Examples here: http://www.ctribble.co.uk/theatre.html.

The buy / not buy decision is complicated as the M-240 can do pretty well everything I ask of it - especially in performance space.  The areas where I'm looking for improvement are in portraiture work and landscape.  A good EVF could really enhance what the camera can do.

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