jaapv Posted January 14, 2017 Share #1681 Posted January 14, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't think so. It is fit for purpose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CYBORA Posted January 14, 2017 Share #1682 Posted January 14, 2017 Yep, we're all different, which is why any new Leica camera will please some, discourage others and be ignored by most. I use the M240 strictly as an RF camera, just as I did with film Ms and the M8.2, skipping the M8 and M9 (both of which I tested). It's the best digital RF M that I've used. Whatever works. The more choices Leica gives us, the better. Jeff Yes, lots of choices today and getting better, as the M series is becoming a strict RF camera for stills and ,Leica gives us the SL for the video and professional needs. We have Q for a fixed lens full frame one and we hope to see a QM or QL model as an interchangeable lens non RF camera . A while ago , we had only the M for full frame, but now , great options !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 14, 2017 Share #1683 Posted January 14, 2017 Well, I always liked the handling of the old m240 : This one from my time in the military: You are not bloody and fifthly, so I call bullsh*t. -- Pico - SSgt 1964-1970 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted January 14, 2017 Share #1684 Posted January 14, 2017 AFAIC, the jury will be out on the ISO dial until I actually see it in the flesh. I'm with those that see it as a positive from the know at a glance perspective. Maybe I'm the only one, but I've gone from shooting indoors to out and completely forgotten to reset the ISO until after I've screwed a few shots up. Having the dial right there to confirm settings is, therefore a positive. OTOH, being on the side of the body, it looks as though it could get changed inadvertently as the camera goes in and out of the bag. If its not locking, it might cause more problems than it solves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted January 14, 2017 Share #1685 Posted January 14, 2017 Wouldn't it be fun if Leica really did have an LQ the pull out of the hat alongside the M on the 19th. Although, you know if push came to shove I'm still not sure that I wouldn't go for a matched pair of RF bodies if I was working with manual focus lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted January 14, 2017 Share #1686 Posted January 14, 2017 I don't think so. It is fit for purpose. Unfortunately, it is not. Rolling shutter is a deal breaker. Judging from what is out there from the SL on the other hand (see the skateboarding footage), it seems that the SL sensor/ hardware is capable enough to make the SL a viable insert camera for a car rig for example or some b-roll shots during travel. I have never been interested in my Leicas for video as a main feature, but now that I own 4 rangefinder Leicas, I'm really interested in the things that the other ones can't do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted January 14, 2017 Share #1687 Posted January 14, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) <snip> My method of taking portraits is to engage a person, and when 1/3 second after their expression is interesting, I will take the photograph. Added reaction time for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardster Posted January 15, 2017 Share #1688 Posted January 15, 2017 AFAIC, the jury will be out on the ISO dial until I actually see it in the flesh. I'm with those that see it as a positive from the know at a glance perspective. Maybe I'm the only one, but I've gone from shooting indoors to out and completely forgotten to reset the ISO until after I've screwed a few shots up. Having the dial right there to confirm settings is, therefore a positive. OTOH, being on the side of the body, it looks as though it could get changed inadvertently as the camera goes in and out of the bag. If its not locking, it might cause more problems than it solves. This is also my thinking and experience. I don't use Auto ISO as I like more control as to how an image is made. I also print some of my images and noise control can be an issue if left to the camera. I mostly shoot at base ISO and given the fact that ISO is, for me at least, buried in the menu once I've changed it, a visual reminder like that on the top plate dial would be a real plus. The fact that it can be changed in one step instead of two is simple and very convenient. Agreed, this all falls apart if it doesn't indent/lock properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted January 15, 2017 Share #1689 Posted January 15, 2017 Added reaction time for you. Well, if you think that 1/3s is my reaction time when I am shooting, then maybe I am anticipating. All I can tell you is that when I used the SL, I got the picture of the moment I wanted to photograph, and that is a big deal to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marchyman Posted January 15, 2017 Share #1690 Posted January 15, 2017 I see lots of comments about how changing ISO on the M240 is a pain. Is the M240 that much different from the M262? On the M262 changing ISO is very simple. Depress AND HOLD the ISO button Use the thumb wheel to select your ISO Let go of the ISO button As far as the M10 goes... My M262 is less than a year old. I might think about looking for something newer in 5-8 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted January 15, 2017 Share #1691 Posted January 15, 2017 The M240 is exactly the same. People have no sense of proportion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distagon Posted January 15, 2017 Share #1692 Posted January 15, 2017 Thorsten has just published the first page of his M10 user review series. He teases an "expect simplicity" line, which sounds like something straight from the mind of Leica marketing. He writes, of both the SLR and EVF Visoflex that, "Obviously both were impractical and not in alignment with the simplicity of a Leica M." That's the clearest hint I've yet heard of a hybrid OVF-EVF-optoelectronic rangefinder. That is, assuming that Thorsten has had an M10 to work with. On the same page, he published a 2017 photograph of John Travolta that shows precise environmental framing. He has left the camera and lens unlabelled, with seems unusual for the photograph captions of his site. "...expect new features to be taken seriously, without stealing the picture." Anyway, there are some more interesting hints and speculation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ash Posted January 15, 2017 Share #1693 Posted January 15, 2017 There is nothing beyond leicarumors info. Thorsten only takes the chance to grab attention. I would not add any other speculation on his words but look forward to his review in a view days. Gesendet von iPhone mit Tapatalk Pro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyros Moutsouris Posted January 15, 2017 Share #1694 Posted January 15, 2017 Thorsten has just published the first page of his M10 user review series. He teases an "expect simplicity" line, which sounds like something straight from the mind of Leica marketing. He writes, of both the SLR and EVF Visoflex that, "Obviously both were impractical and not in alignment with the simplicity of a Leica M." That's the clearest hint I've yet heard of a hybrid OVF-EVF-optoelectronic rangefinder. That is, assuming that Thorsten has had an M10 to work with. On the same page, he published a 2017 photograph of John Travolta that shows precise environmental framing. He has left the camera and lens unlabelled, with seems unusual for the photograph captions of his site. "...expect new features to be taken seriously, without stealing the picture." Anyway, there are some more interesting hints and speculation. I really cannot figure out how his words are the "clearest hint" to a hybrid OVF-EVF-optoelectronic rangefinder... Simplicity is mostly a brighter/larger finder and a larger base length. No more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted January 15, 2017 Share #1695 Posted January 15, 2017 The way I read it, he is more hinting there will be no EVF, which in one way would be surprising. But on the other hand, it would explain the naming convention, M10 - product line with no EVF like the M9, Mxxx - product line with EVF. I would love to see the histogram in the built in viewfinder, but I am not holding by breath. Thorsten has just published the first page of his M10 user review series. He teases an "expect simplicity" line, which sounds like something straight from the mind of Leica marketing. He writes, of both the SLR and EVF Visoflex that, "Obviously both were impractical and not in alignment with the simplicity of a Leica M." That's the clearest hint I've yet heard of a hybrid OVF-EVF-optoelectronic rangefinder. That is, assuming that Thorsten has had an M10 to work with. On the same page, he published a 2017 photograph of John Travolta that shows precise environmental framing. He has left the camera and lens unlabelled, with seems unusual for the photograph captions of his site. "...expect new features to be taken seriously, without stealing the picture." Anyway, there are some more interesting hints and speculation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted January 15, 2017 Share #1696 Posted January 15, 2017 I would love to see the histogram in the built in viewfinder, but I am not holding by breath. Yes. I have written here before that an option at least for shutter speed (if not a histogram) in the M camera viewfinder would be most welcome. This could be a software/firmware option to be turned on or off at the user's discretion so no-one is offended or inconvenienced by it's presence or absence depending on the user's preferences/requirements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 15, 2017 Share #1697 Posted January 15, 2017 Why keeping LV if there is no EVF nor hybrid VF? Will we have to use our old optical Visoflex again? Makes little sense IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distagon Posted January 15, 2017 Share #1698 Posted January 15, 2017 The way I read it, he is more hinting there will be no EVF, which in one way would be surprising. But on the other hand, it would explain the naming convention, M10 - product line with no EVF like the M9, Mxxx - product line with EVF. I would love to see the histogram in the built in viewfinder, but I am not holding by breath. Interesting interpretation, I hadn't thought of it from that perspective.I agree with lct that a product concept with no EVF would also have no purpose for LiveView. The two functions are closely related, and implementing one gets close to having the other too. So given that there's a LiveView button, it seems improbable that there wouldn't also be an EVF of some description, whether integrated or add-on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted January 15, 2017 Share #1699 Posted January 15, 2017 If my memory serves me well, when the M8 came out there was an outcry on this forum because there was no direct access to the ISO via an external wheel or lever. [emoji6] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted January 15, 2017 Share #1700 Posted January 15, 2017 Why keeping LV if there is no EVF nor hybrid VF? Will we have to use our old optical Visoflex again? Makes little sense IMHO. The LV button is 'Left Vacant' and is user programmable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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