david strachan Posted January 9, 2017 Share #1121 Posted January 9, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) The battery run-down has always suited me with the Leica's (M8's and M-P). There is always room for some more shots. My Fuji's go down fast in their last throws, and very suddenly ..the end. I've learnt to always carry a battery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 Hi david strachan, Take a look here Leica M 10. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
pop Posted January 9, 2017 Share #1122 Posted January 9, 2017 If this is it, it looks like a black chrome finish. Pleases me!. Never liked paint... http://leicarumors.com/2017/01/08/another-leaked-picture-of-the-leica-m10-camera.aspx/#more-44058 Well, on the last "leaked" photo from 1/8/17 linked by Chris Tribble you don't see either. I take it that you refer to the link I quoted above. Following this link I see (1) a recent photograph of an M (something) camera as seen from the front side from below; this would hide the extra dial I mentioned above from view if there was one. I see (2) a photograph I have seen many times before taken from above, showing the two features I mentioned above. Is what you see any different? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 9, 2017 Share #1123 Posted January 9, 2017 One is the 'M10', the other has a vulgaris big red dot so it is an M240 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted January 9, 2017 Share #1124 Posted January 9, 2017 I take it that you refer to the link I quoted above. Following this link I see (1) a recent photograph of an M (something) camera as seen from the front side from below; this would hide the extra dial I mentioned above from view if there was one. I see (2) a photograph I have seen many times before taken from above, showing the two features I mentioned above. Is what you see any different? No, you described it exactly. The foto on the top -the new one - does not show the "novelties" we could see on the second, older foto. Distagon's remark about the different form of the release button for the bayonet shows another obvious point: on the top, new photo the button is as we know it from former M bodies. The second, older photo shows a new design for the button which seems to be new. So I'd say, the top, new photo from Instagram shows no new camera. The second, older photos shows many things we don't know yet from M bodies. Though it also looks black chrome - so your wish, which I share, for a black chrome version might be fulfilled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 9, 2017 Share #1125 Posted January 9, 2017 I just found a picture of an M240 at that angle and cropped it . . . . . Exact The top picture is an M240 cropped unusually to miss the M letter - not a new camera No idea about the other one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anickpick Posted January 9, 2017 Share #1126 Posted January 9, 2017 News on the new Q....... I mean M Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Neil, Unless your source told you about an M that is basically an M240, just with a slightly thinner body and faster processor (so it fits the Visoflex Typ 020), I suggest you look for a more credible one. If you heard about a camera with more megapixels and a revolutionary viewfinder, that one is in the making, but you'll have to wait for it untill next Christmas. My hacker is better than your source Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 9, 2017 Share #1127 Posted January 9, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ok, ok, I did mention the blur cause in the original post, shutter lag -and a bit of motion blur too. The whole point was that the EVF can be used for long lenses in a not-static situation, not the artistic (dis)merit of the photograph. That the EVF2 is not the ideal instrument is clear. I doubt whether a much better EVF like we have nowadays is much help either. Your photo demonstrates clearly that the current EVF is not suitable for long lenses in a non-static situation. You need the SL, Jaap: no shutter lag, no blackout or freeze. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted January 9, 2017 Share #1128 Posted January 9, 2017 Neil, Unless your source told you about an M that is basically an M240, just with a slightly thinner body and faster processor (so it fits the Visoflex Typ 020), I suggest you look for a more credible one. If you heard about a camera with more megapixels and a revolutionary viewfinder, that one is in the making, but you'll have to wait for it untill next Christmas. My hacker is better than your source Hey, never trust a man who wears stockings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted January 9, 2017 Share #1129 Posted January 9, 2017 https://www.instagram.com/akowari/ M10 my ass... Leica Rumors is fooled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted January 9, 2017 Share #1130 Posted January 9, 2017 Succinctly put Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhoh7 Posted January 9, 2017 Share #1131 Posted January 9, 2017 The XT-2 is effin' awesome, two XT-2's are twice as awesome at least. Now, where were we....? Oh yes that camera is perfect. Simply could not be improved. You are not alone in such accolades which almost every new fuji seems to enjoy. Certainly Fuji has built a nice and very successful ecosystem for APS-C. Many smart moves. Some of my friends who have shot every flavor A7 are using the XT-2 now, and rave about it. They also raved about the A7rii, and what they had before. Steve Huff's adoption of the SL, after dissing it, and having been a Sony advocate par excellence, is a classic iteration of the fickle affections of photographers today. Tactically it's good I guess, because you never have to critique a system at all. You love it to death, and then dump it. The power supplies of the XT-2, Rx1rii, and A7x cameras are indefensible by any objective reviewer. They are cynical choices to use batteries from older systems with new cameras because it's cheaper to make them that way. The companies fully expect to offer another new flavor in short order anyway, so why not save some money in the short term? Does this stupidity and rudeness mean nobody should buy a XT-2, or that it's no good? Of course not. Yes you can work around it. The camera has many nice touches, some groundbreaking. But why pretend a slightly larger battery which could get the camera through any full day event, 2000 shots at least, would not be much nicer, and remove completely what is otherwise a daily concern with these cameras. The XT-2 will be yesterday's news soon enough-by design. Meanwhile the 2009 M9 seems to be going up in value Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted January 9, 2017 Share #1132 Posted January 9, 2017 I was pleasantly surprised by the realised prices on eBay for M9-P bodies. I guess for many folk they are the classic digital Leica CCD cameras, so much so that mint or near mint examples are increasing in value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 9, 2017 Share #1133 Posted January 9, 2017 Your photo demonstrates clearly that the current EVF is not suitable for long lenses in a non-static situation. You need the SL, Jaap: no shutter lag, no blackout or freeze. Afaik know the shutter lag on the SL is the same as the M. If I were to look for a substitute for the M240 for long lens/dynamic shooting I would probably move to Panasonic GH5. Larger sensors demand lenses that are too unwieldy for handheld long tele work when one needs to be reactive and quick. I would not even have come close to recording that pig with some Canikon 600 bazooka ( or modular APO for that matter) (on a tripod too, probably) And AF would have failed utterly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 9, 2017 Share #1134 Posted January 9, 2017 Oh yes that camera is perfect. Simply could not be improved. You are not alone in such accolades which almost every new fuji seems to enjoy. Certainly Fuji has built a nice and very successful ecosystem for APS-C. Many smart moves. Some of my friends who have shot every flavor A7 are using the XT-2 now, and rave about it. They also raved about the A7rii, and what they had before. Steve Huff's adoption of the SL, after dissing it, and having been a Sony advocate par excellence, is a classic iteration of the fickle affections of photographers today. Tactically it's good I guess, because you never have to critique a system at all. You love it to death, and then dump it. The power supplies of the XT-2, Rx1rii, and A7x cameras are indefensible by any objective reviewer. They are cynical choices to use batteries from older systems with new cameras because it's cheaper to make them that way. The companies fully expect to offer another new flavor in short order anyway, so why not save some money in the short term? Does this stupidity and rudeness mean nobody should buy a XT-2, or that it's no good? Of course not. Yes you can work around it. The camera has many nice touches, some groundbreaking. But why pretend a slightly larger battery which could get the camera through any full day event, 2000 shots at least, would not be much nicer, and remove completely what is otherwise a daily concern with these cameras. The XT-2 will be yesterday's news soon enough-by design. Meanwhile the 2009 M9 seems to be going up in value I think you've completely missed the point of this conversation: no one is saying the Fuji's are better than Leica Ms. It came about in response to a point about viewfinders relative to sensors, and how the XT1&2 viewfinders operate equally well despite the different sensors. I'm still wondering what their batteries have to do with anything concerning Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EoinC Posted January 9, 2017 Share #1135 Posted January 9, 2017 ...I would not even have come close to recording that pig with some Canikon 600 bazooka ( or modular APO for that matter) (on a tripod too, probably) And AF would have failed utterly. I shoot a rather grievous amount of indoor velodrome racing, which involves rapidly focusing on action between 6 and 100m away (crashes are so poorly planned) in usually very poor light. PDAF on a 1DX / EF300 f/2.8 MkII combo is impressively fast, particularly if range-constrained. I always shoot handheld, and have no problem swinging that mini-bazooka around all day, usually 4-5 days per event. 600mm is something different (even the EF400 f/2.8 is substantially less practical, though a beautiful lens in its own right). I also frequently use a M6, and a Monochrom at the same events, usually with 35 & 50mm. They tend to be used by pre-setting focus (thank you, EVF) and letting the racing come to me. Unless you can train your charging pigs to do so in a repeating circuit, I would still pick a fast Canikon as being more practical, depending upon how far you are from the little angry one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 9, 2017 Share #1136 Posted January 9, 2017 Afaik know the shutter lag on the SL is the same as the M. I have just checked and, rather to my surprise, you are not far from right. Shooting a stop watch on screen with the M gives a lag of about 0.35s shooting direct and 0.45s shooting with LV. With the SL, shooting manually, it is marginally less - 0.28s, probably because the button is lighter. It might be different with faster human reactions. So, yes, the EVF doesn't add much shutter lag to the M. OTOH, the view is still hidden for the best part of a second, which I find too distracting for shooting moving subjects, and stops you taking a quick follow-on shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
honcho Posted January 9, 2017 Share #1137 Posted January 9, 2017 I think you've completely missed the point of this conversation: no one is saying the Fuji's are better than Leica Ms. It came about in response to a point about viewfinders relative to sensors, and how the XT1&2 viewfinders operate equally well despite the different sensors. I'm still wondering what their batteries have to do with anything concerning Leica. Seems to be about the Ebay value of old M9's! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 9, 2017 Share #1138 Posted January 9, 2017 FWIW, my second M9 (with no sensor issues) was $2660 usd. ~7000 exposures. Most excellent condition, , Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1139 Posted January 10, 2017 IWJT........what would a good M240 go for right now?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 10, 2017 Share #1140 Posted January 10, 2017 There is a whole row of Leica Deals on eBay at the bottom of this page. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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