pedaes Posted January 24, 2020 Share #1401 Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 25 minutes ago, ianman said: Maybe they just failed to see or understand its potential. Agree - although I must admit I bought mine when they first came out somewhat blind to its qualities. Edited January 24, 2020 by pedaes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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a.noctilux Posted January 24, 2020 Share #1402 Posted January 24, 2020 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! here with M246, I much appreciate it's fantastic shades of grays ( mouse ... for bigger viewing 2000 pixels) 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! here with M246, I much appreciate it's fantastic shades of grays ( mouse ... for bigger viewing 2000 pixels) ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/265598-leica-summaron-28-image-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3898389'>More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted January 24, 2020 Share #1403 Posted January 24, 2020 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/265598-leica-summaron-28-image-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3898394'>More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted January 24, 2020 Share #1404 Posted January 24, 2020 😉 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/265598-leica-summaron-28-image-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3898395'>More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted January 24, 2020 Share #1405 Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ianman said: It's interesting how so many people seemed to (profoundly) dislike this lens when it was introduced. Maybe they just failed to see or understand its potential. Mine as been attached to my M9 or MP on a permanent basis for the past 4 years. In fact I almost bought a black one too so until I saw one and found it incredibly ugly. My 28mm summicron asph v1 has hardly had a look-in since I bought the sumnaron. I think Leica for once stayed true to their original ethos with this lens. It’s as sharp as a razor and has a recognisable character which I really like. My film choices are based on the qualities of the prevailing light, I find Portra 400 is ideal for outdoors work in the cooler light we mainly have in the UK. For this my recent trip to Egypt, it was actually our Honeymoon, I decided to use Ektar as the light is so intense unless it is dusty. The only mild annoyance to me is the 34mn filter thread, but that is a minor gripe. The 28mm summaron-m is a great lens. One of Leica’s best of the current M lenses in my opinion. Put it with a 50mm elmar-m f2.8 and a 90mm macro elmar-m and you have an almost perfect set of compact lenses for travel. Edited January 24, 2020 by Ouroboros 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted January 24, 2020 Share #1406 Posted January 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ouroboros said: t was actually our Honeymoon Many congratulations! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted January 24, 2020 Share #1407 Posted January 24, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Rigorous framing is possible with this tiny 28mm (no protruding in VF) Leica M-D (typ 262) , Summaron-M 28mm , Strasbourg Museum 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Rigorous framing is possible with this tiny 28mm (no protruding in VF) Leica M-D (typ 262) , Summaron-M 28mm , Strasbourg Museum ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/265598-leica-summaron-28-image-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3898641'>More sharing options...
Verteidiger Posted January 25, 2020 Share #1408 Posted January 25, 2020 vor 23 Stunden schrieb pedaes: Old lenses, no matter how well looked after, are likely to suffer dust and haze. These are natural products of age, although many can't/do not want to see them. The latest has better coatings and is 6-bit coded (only relevant to digital Leica's). The original was of course only made in screw-mount so would need an adapter to use with M mount. What is the possible advantage of the 'original' if you don't already own one? It's a wonderful lens with a very special rendering, and the colours on digital sensors are lovely (saturated). vor 22 Stunden schrieb mnutzer: As Leica only produces the Summaron 5.6-28mm with M-bayonet, the only reason to purchase an old M39-Summaron would be using a screw mount Leica. I gave up searching for a clean old exemplar without haze, dust or even fungus. An experienced Leica technician warned me to ask for service for such a dirty old Summaron 28, as he wouldn't be able to center the tiny lenses exactly. Prices for old M39-Summarons are somewhat high, especially if including the old lens hood. Therefore a new M-Summaron 5.6-28 should be the better choice for all M-Leicas. I do have the new one and two old ones cla'ed at Paepke's in Düsseldorf, Germany, and at Leica's in Wetzlar respectively. The first one had to go to Paepke's as Leica Service refused to check it arguing that they couldn't assume no liability as they do not have spare parts any more, but they actually did clean the second one only a little later without hesitating. Both old ones are centered as the new one is, and I do not have any problems with haze, dust or fungus. Of course I do need an adapter to use the old ones on newer cameras. Pictures actually do look alike. I feel confirmed as Leica say, that the new one is the same lens inside as the old ones were, adding only the new bayonet and changing some measures. I guess you could even use the lens correction data of the new lens in pp for the old ones - if you wanted to correct them at all which from my point of view does not make sense: When you choose the lens because of its natural vignetting for example, you will hardly have that re-done in post, won't you? Six-bit-coding is being overrated definitely: You can choose any lens profile using the menu as well - if you want to use one at all. Only thing with the old lenses is that the magnification does not work when focussing using live view with the older lenses on newer cameras. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted January 25, 2020 Share #1409 Posted January 25, 2020 Is not the chemical formula of the glass different? Would not that make a positive difference as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verteidiger Posted January 25, 2020 Share #1410 Posted January 25, 2020 I do not know that, but as I wrote I can hardly see differences neither in post production nor printed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 25, 2020 Share #1411 Posted January 25, 2020 40 minutes ago, Verteidiger said: [...] I can hardly see differences neither in post production nor printed. Interesting indeed. I would have sweared that the new lens has more acutance and less flare than the old one but i have no experience with either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted January 25, 2020 Share #1412 Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) I didn't use much the old LTM Summaron 2.8cm, but appreciate it so when Leica launched the new Summaron-M 28mm, I was pleased to be able to purchase new. In Leica 's lens presentation, we can read : [ ... Its unmistakable signature is almost impossible to reproduce by digital means and makes the lens a true classic; reborn today in a revised edition with identical optical properties. The fact that this is no simple reconstruction is obvious at first glance: the design of the Summaron-M has been refined down to the essentials, without losing any of the character of its legendary ancestor. ] Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! seen here Edited January 25, 2020 by a.noctilux 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! seen here ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/265598-leica-summaron-28-image-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3899126'>More sharing options...
ianman Posted January 25, 2020 Share #1413 Posted January 25, 2020 51 minutes ago, a.noctilux said: In Leica 's lens presentation, we can read : [ ... Its unmistakable signature is almost impossible to reproduce by digital means and makes the lens a true classic; reborn today in a revised edition with identical optical properties. The fact that this is no simple reconstruction is obvious at first glance: the design of the Summaron-M has been refined down to the essentials, without losing any of the character of its legendary ancestor. ] That of course is written by the marketing dept. They are hardly going to write "Its unmistakable signature is a cinch to reproduce by using a free LR preset..." 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted January 25, 2020 Share #1414 Posted January 25, 2020 Maybe not first attempt to remake this lens. In Wiki, ( this page ) strange that Leitz manufactured in 1971 , 50 units of Summaron 2.8cm in M mount (bracketted M) , I think but I may be wrong: 1875001 1875500 Summaron 2.8 cm 1:56 1961 500 2279751 2279800 Summaron 2.8 cm 1:56 (S) 1968 50 2499101 2499150 Summaron 2.8 cm 1:56 (M) 1971 50 TOTAL ASSIGNED SERIAL NUMBERS 1954-1971 9,169 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted January 25, 2020 Share #1415 Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, a.noctilux said: Maybe not first attempt to remake this lens. In Wiki, ( this page ) strange that Leitz manufactured in 1971 , 50 units of Summaron 2.8cm in M mount (bracketted M) , I think but I may be wrong: 1875001 1875500 Summaron 2.8 cm 1:56 1961 500 2279751 2279800 Summaron 2.8 cm 1:56 (S) 1968 50 2499101 2499150 Summaron 2.8 cm 1:56 (M) 1971 50 TOTAL ASSIGNED SERIAL NUMBERS 1954-1971 9,169 If you are assuming that, what does (S) mean. I think factory used thread mount description. I think someone would have posted here if any in M mount from the original batches exist.. Leica say non were made, and I read it was because the Canadian 28mm Elmar was about to be launched they cancelled plan for M mount.. Edited January 25, 2020 by pedaes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted January 25, 2020 Share #1416 Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Verteidiger said: Six-bit-coding is being overrated definitely: You can choose any lens profile using the menu as well - if you want to use one at all. Only thing with the old lenses is that the magnification does not work when focussing using live view with the older lenses on newer cameras. Six bit coding is lazy way of getting correct EXIF data. Can't understand why magnification dosn't work. Interesting to know reason. Leica do not suggest anywhere this is the case with older lenses as far as I know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedro Posted January 25, 2020 Share #1417 Posted January 25, 2020 with the M10M Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/265598-leica-summaron-28-image-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3899188'>More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted January 25, 2020 Share #1418 Posted January 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, pedaes said: If you are assuming that, what does (S) mean. I think factory used thread mount description. as this Summilux 50 list (S) screw mount (M) M mount 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted January 25, 2020 Share #1419 Posted January 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, a.noctilux said: as this Summilux 50 list (S) screw mount (M) M mount Ok - but these are not factory records. I think we can agree no M mount lenses were ever made available prior to the re-release. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nowhereman Posted January 25, 2020 Share #1420 Posted January 25, 2020 With all the talk about the Summaron 28, I can't resist re-posting my favorite pictures with this lens, now with the larger files sizes permitted by the forum. The first three are "no finder shots", holding the camera at chest level and pre-focusing. M10 | Summaron-M 1:5.6/28 | ISO 6400 | f/5.6 | 1/180 sec Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/265598-leica-summaron-28-image-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3899222'>More sharing options...
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