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M10 | Summaron-M 1:5.6/28 | ISO 6400 | f/5.6 | 1/350 sec

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I'm confused why you are shooting a 28mm lens at ISO6400 1/1500....................I am sure you can safely shoot hand held at 1/50 with that little biddy lens, bringing your ISO way way down :)

 

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Who's "Billy?" This 28 mm lens has a maximum aperture of f/5.6. The shutter speed was 1/350 sec. Of course, I could have shot at, say, 1/50 sec and ISO 800. However, it was a heavily overcast day with a luminous sky, but behind me was a narrow lane with large awnings — quite dark — and I had been shooting as low as 1/45 and 1/90 at ISO 6400 when I turned around and saw this guy: I had no time to change the ISO; but, also, I like the look of the M10 at ISO 6400. It's not always a goal to shoot the lowest ISO possible.

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Who's "Billy?" This 28 mm lens has a maximum aperture of f/5.6. The shutter speed was 1/350 sec. Of course, I could have shot at, say, 1/50 sec and ISO 800. However, it was a heavily overcast day with a luminous sky, but behind me was a narrow lane with large awnings — quite dark — and I had been shooting as low as 1/45 and 1/90 at ISO 6400 when I turned around and saw this guy: I had no time to change the ISO; but, also, I like the look of the M10 at ISO 6400. It's not always a goal to shoot the lowest ISO possible.

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One of your other pictures was shot at 1/1500 and ISO 6400..................If you like the look of the higher ISO's that's great, I hear that the m10 is good up to ISO50k

 

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I was shooting from 1/125 to 1/1500 at ISO 6400. On the one hand, I was trying out ISO 6400 on the M10. On the other hand, if I hadn't been trying out ISO 6400 and if I had been shooting a lens with a maximum aperture of f/2.0 instead of f/5.6, I would have shot at ISO 800 and just opened up the aperture when necessary, which I find faster than changing the ISO.

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I was shooting from 1/125 to 1/1500 at ISO 6400. On the one hand, I was trying out ISO 6400 on the M10. On the other hand, if I hadn't been trying out ISO 6400 and if I had been shooting a lens with a maximum aperture of f/2.0 instead of f/5.6, I would have shot at ISO 800 and just opened up the aperture when necessary, which I find faster than changing the ISO.

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Have you thought about using AUTO ISO. I have used auto ISO on all of my digital cameras and I personally find it very useful and one less thing to think about............Just need to remember to switch it of when you go to shoot a landscape picture on a tripod............its bit my ass on quite a few ovulations  :) :)

 

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Never having used it on the M9, I tried Auto ISO on the M10. Somehow, I didn't like it because, I suppose, I want to know the ISO I'm shooting at. 

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I don't have a M10 but on my S007 it shows up in the viewfinder so easy to see what ISO you are shooting at. Can then change aperture to suit. I must admit I do like the colors of you 28mm summercrone pictures.....nice work

 

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Neil - Thanks. When this new Summaron 28 came out my reaction was, "Who's going to be crazy enough to buy a lens with a maximum aperture of f/5.6!" But then I started to see the landscape pictures "wattsy" was taking with it. They were shot with film and this lens was acknowledged to be particularly good with film. Eventually, I saw some M10 pictures with it that looked good, and started to think that this could be a good lens for street photography, with the high-ISO capability compensating the f/5.6 maximum aperture for pictures shot in darker light. I had no doubt about the desirability of this lens for landscape, say, moody, brooding, dark landscapes — I'm not thinking about 8x10. :D

 

Below is my favorite street shot with this lens. I've posted the first version before, but now I've reprocessed it to show more the brightness of the light in the right background and behind me. I like the "fading" effect in the bright light area. I think this would be a better photograph if one could see more obviously that the left (magenta) background is a mirror; that is to say, if the edge of the mirror behind the student were visible. This was shot at ISO 800, f/5.6 at 1/350 sec. I used ISO 300 because I had been walking in a covered, dark walkway.

 

Here's what I wrote when posted the first version earlier in this thread:

This is what Moriyama Daido calls a “no finder shot”: I held the camera in front of my chest after I set the focus and shutter speed. Because the background at the right is very bright, 3-4 stops brighter than the university student, I underexposed her by about ½ stop — that was sufficient not to blow out any highlights. This shows how well modern camera sensors can handle highlights. On the other hand, the background on the left is a tinted mirror with a somewhat wavy surface, as you can seen the reflection of the building behind the main subject. The scene is just before the Siam station of the Bangkok Skytrain, where the elevated pedestrian walkway that runs along several high end shopping malls joins the station platform. 

 

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Neil - Thanks. When this new Summaron 28 came out my reaction was, "Who's going to be crazy enough to buy a lens with a maximum aperture of f/5.6!" But then I started to see the landscape pictures "wattsy" was taking with it. They were shot with film and this lens was acknowledged to be particularly good with film. Eventually, I saw some M10 pictures with it that looked good, and started to think that this could be a good lens for street photography, with the high-ISO capability compensating the f/5.6 maximum aperture for pictures shot in darker light. I had no doubt about the desirability of this lens for landscape, say, moody, brooding, dark landscapes — I'm not thinking about 8x10. :D

 

Below is my favorite street shot with this lens. I've posted the first version before, but now I've reprocessed it to show more the brightness of the light in the right background and behind me. I like the "fading" effect in the bright light area. I think this would be a better photograph if one could see more obviously that the left (magenta) background is a mirror; that is to say, if the edge of the mirror behind the student were visible. This was shot at ISO 800, f/5.6 at 1/350 sec. I used ISO 300 because I had been walking in a covered, dark walkway.

 

Here's what I wrote when posted the first version earlier in this thread:

This is what Moriyama Daido calls a “no finder shot”: I held the camera in front of my chest after I set the focus and shutter speed. Because the background at the right is very bright, 3-4 stops brighter than the university student, I underexposed her by about ½ stop — that was sufficient not to blow out any highlights. This shows how well modern camera sensors can handle highlights. On the other hand, the background on the left is a tinted mirror with a somewhat wavy surface, as you can seen the reflection of the building behind the main subject. The scene is just before the Siam station of the Bangkok Skytrain, where the elevated pedestrian walkway that runs along several high end shopping malls joins the station platform. 

 

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yea Mitch,

I really like that shot to...............as for the 28mm lens I will buy that as soon as I make my mind up what body to screw it onto. I sold my SL and bought a TL2 but the TL2 will make it a 35mm and I don't like that FOV. I'm waiting to see what Leica bring out on the 22nd of this month...........fingers crossed it will have a full frame sensor, if not I will probably wait and just use my S007 until they do.

I just bought a new Chamonix 4x5 and will plan on shooting that in Phuket when I get home.............street photography with a 4x5 .....crazy but fun :) :)

 

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Well if you ask me, a “no finder” shot is always a worthless shot. Just look at the abysmal composition. If at least you were looking through theVF you would have composed it.

 

This, and people’s backs: another phenomena which only shows cowardliness.

 

In your example, or in similar situations, I prefer to use the good old technique called “no shot”. I see no point of shooting such scenes at all.

nothing like saying it the way it is............................:) :) :)

 

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Ian - Yes, the color version of this shot, which I like, also has this glow. Below is a higher contrast version of this shot, which just comes short of blowing out the sky. I hesitated posting it because it departs from reality: the sky was dull but luminous.

 

Do you know the Portuguese photographer. Paulo Nozolino? I remembered the introductory description to his Arles workshop, which has the following first sentence:

 

This workshop is not for digital photoshop liars, reportage, landscape or portrait photographers, conceptual artists or career seekers. It is a workshop for the unsure, the poets, the dreamers, all of those who feel they don’t fit in the system!
 
That made me think whether the picture below is a digital lie, but concluded that it's as much a lie as an equally high contrast print from film would be — and Nozolino does that all the time. Seems to me the he simply doesn't like digital. BTW, it's difficult to get a sense of his work because he's gutsy enough not to even have a website. His prints are very dark and even athe Steidl book Far Cry doesn't do him justice. If one can't see the original prints the best way to get a feeling for his work is through some youtube videos of a couple of his exhibitions.
 
As for the version below, I'm beginning to like it — it isolates the subject more than the one above.

 

 

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Hey Neil,

 

I saw a demo on this lens.  The photographer set it to f11 & 6400 IS0 (maybe even one stop more on ISO) regardless of shutter speed because he felt the higher ISO produced more of an analog, "Film Like"  rendering.  

 

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I'm confused why you are shooting a 28mm lens at ISO6400 1/1500....................I am sure you can safely shoot hand held at 1/50 with that little biddy lens, bringing your ISO way way down  :)

 

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I was also saying that the worst was when shooting people’s backs. There’s no excuse for that.

 

 

It is COWARDICE and WORST to shoot from behind people's back

I agree. someone should give this little known photographer a lesson in photography :)

 

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Hey Neil,

 

I saw a demo on this lens. The photographer set it to f11 & 6400 IS0 (maybe even one stop more on ISO) regardless of shutter speed because he felt the higher ISO produced more of an analog, "Film Like" rendering.

intresting. Maybe so to him but I find digital noise looks nothing like film grain.

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