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Five new Leica SL lenses to be announced

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And of course there is the new 10mm Voigtlander VM for those that need it.

 

Nikon produces a nice 14-24mm that provides a good range. (I find that with wide angle zooms I tended the use the extremes of the range more than the middle to a greater extent than with longer zooms.) But 16-35mm is a popular range too.

 

I would like a wide zoom, but if this one is too heavy, I'll just go with the M lenses, whose only downside is lack of weather sealing. If it is lighter, it will be f4, perhaps with OIS, which will be fine for landscapes.

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scott kirkpatrick

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The 16-35mm is rather unambitious. I would have much preferred a 12-24mm or even if it were optically possible, a 12 or 14-30mm. The 16-35mm does not appeal to me at all. I already have an 18SEM that I use on the SL and my standard zoom starts at 24mm. 16mm at the wide end is just not really wide enough to tempt me. Nikon offers a 14-30 and Sigma is offering a 12-24 full frame in various mounts. 

 

I've played around on the SL with the SE-R 15 and the SEM-M 18, and the 15 feels pretty awesomely wide to me.  (Like Godfrey, I suspect) I carry some of Lee Friedlander's square SWC images from gardens and the Sonoran desert around with me in my head and I'll have to set the framing to square one of these days.  But, having the 15, the 18 doesn't do as much for me and the next step is to 21.  I've shot a lot on the M9 and M240 with both of the current 21s, using an optical viewfinder, so now that I have a 21-35 R zoom from the good old days, I find I am using it at 21 a lot.  With all of these, focusing is a very occasional thing, and I can often use scale focus (shifted for adapter thickness correction).  So why would AF be a big differentiator?  If having 12-24 is important, one of the adapters from Canon's mounts that gives accurate but slow AF should work just fine.  Shooting around buildings under construction, and outside in big landscapes, the 21-35 zoom is providing useful flexibility, so I imagine that 16-35 would be really useful.  But I am not holding my breath while waiting...

 

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Apparently, the new lenses have been announced, and I was left (partially) unhappy :D 

 

3 Summicrons (35, 75 and 90mm), 1 zoom (16-35 f/3.5-4.5)

 

Great news about the Summicron line, IMO! :D

 

The zoom - well, it remains to be seen how the zoom performs, but I am not impressed in theory by the f stop of it, nor by the focal length. It seems specd more like a consumer lens than a professional tool. This make me think that there might be something else coming up for the SL in the wide to ultra-wide department... something like, they took care of the 'Cron crowd / consumer crowd now, and they will take care of the 'Lux / pro crowd later (?). Well, one might dream :D

 

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Here is the thread about the official announcement and the new Leica SL roadmap.

 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/264699-new-leica-sl-lenses-roadmap/

 

Leica APO-Summicron-SL 75mm f/2 ASPH. (Summer 2017)

Leica APO-Summicron-SL 90mm f/2 ASPH. (Fall 2017)
Leica Summicron-SL 35mm f/2 ASPH. (Spring 2018)
Leica Super-Vario-Elmar-SL 16-35mm f/3.5-4.5 ASPH (Winter 2017)
 

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The zoom - well, it remains to be seen how the zoom performs, but I am not impressed in theory by the f stop of it, nor by the focal length. It seems specd more like a consumer lens than a professional tool. This make me think that there might be something else coming up for the SL in the wide to ultra-wide department... something like, they took care of the 'Cron crowd / consumer crowd now, and they will take care of the 'Lux / pro crowd later (?). Well, one might dream :D

 

 

 Wishful thinking I suggest. There is nothing non-professional about a superlative quality 16-35/F3.5-4.5 zoom – especially at the kind of price this lens will cost. I find a fixation with lens speed rather tiresome to be honest.

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The only one of those lenses which has any appeal to me, is the 75 Summarit but only because I have never liked my 75 Summarit (a very early one) very much for anything other than technical photos, for which it is actually excellent. OTOH, the 24-90 is so good, I am not sure I would use a 75/2 enough to warrant the cost, which I would guess will be close to £4,000. For the wide zoom, I might buy a Sigma 12-24 in Canon fit and the autofocus Novoflex adapter if it will work with the Sigma and if it doesn't, I could re-buy a WATE, which I only let go because I hated using the Frankenfinder. 

 

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I just saw the time schedule. 2018 for the 35mm lens.

This is not an announcement of a lens but it is the  announcement of a schedule (which will probably delayed even further anyways).

I am somewhat disappointed for the long wait. The 24-90 is fine lens, but like other say far from unobstrusive.

Putting my M 35 or 50 mm lenses on the SL works, but then I rather put them on my M.

The same is valid for the S lenses. The 50/1.4 sounds interesting but I find this lens huge and would see rather a 50 Summicron in smaller size.

I like the SL body and the zooms, but to make it a complete system Leica should hurry up with some more primes IMO.

 

Lets see what the next T will look like. If it has become a little faster and more weather protection I might step out of the SL system for the next 2-3 years.

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Vieri

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 Wishful thinking I suggest. There is nothing non-professional about a superlative quality 16-35/F3.5-4.5 zoom – especially at the kind of price this lens will cost. I find a fixation with lens speed rather tiresome to be honest.

 

 

Wishful thinking? Perhaps, we'll see :) No fixations on speed at all, Ian, my grips (see my previous messages in this thread) are more with the focal length, I still think we need a wider zoom / prime for the system and that a 16-35 is not wide enough for a system to be considered complete. That said, speed is also important for professional work, it always has been and always will be. Leica is well aware of this, as you can see in their wonderful Summilux-M line. Or would you say that there is no need for that as well? ;)

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That said, speed is also important for professional work, it always has been and always will be. Leica is well aware of this, as you can see in their wonderful Summilux-M line. Or would you say that there is no need for that as well? ;)

 

 

 

I'd say you overstate the significance. I also disagree with your point that the system can't be considered complete without a native lens wider than 16mm.

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I'd say you overstate the significance. I also disagree with your point that the system can't be considered complete without a native lens wider than 16mm.

 

Ian, 

 

I think I would rather have had a faster, wider or both prime lens than the 16-35. I don't like the overlap with the 24-90, although I can see that for someone keen on city architecture it might be an ideal lens, where wide apertures are of little to no consequence. A fast(ish) 15mm, say f2.8 with AF, I would have been very interested in. I suspect I may have turned my toes up before that arrives. My next lens purchase anyway is going to be a Taylor, Taylor and Hobson 2 inch f2 Anastigmat collapsible, when I find a decent one at less that astronomical price. 

 

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I am still trying to figure out the cost of the the Leica SL Handgrip suggested retail price of £600 including VAT and the Leica Summilux-SL 50mm f/1.4 ASPH suggested retail price of £3,850 including VAT into dollars.  

 

24-90mm = £3150 and $4950

 

http://www.harrisoncameras.co.uk/pd/Leica-SL-24-90mm-F28-4-Vario-Elmar-Lens-11176_11176.htm?gclid=CjwKEAjwmf6-BRDi9fSN7Ijt1wUSJAASawcj_p_Ax9VP-Yq8wsqobgC1W1jiN4BOw5M6ILe1NX6OghoC4lnw_wcB

 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1192094-REG/leica_11176_vario_elmarit_sl_24_90_f_2_8_4_asph.html

 

Not going to be 100% accurate :D

So by the same math it makes the 50mm 1.4 $6050 and the grip $943

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Wait a few months and they will be discounting  :p

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Nice that Leica has now offered a roadmap. I like the idea of the 16-35. This is a modern setup for practical shooting. I use the 17-35 from Nikon since  2000 and always found there is a similar lens missing in the Leica cabinet.

Not a specialist setup like a 12-24 would have been. To the specialists - you already have a very wide choice, no reason to complain. (Nikon 14-24, Canon 11-24 even with nicely working AF, Voigtl 10, 12, 15, Sigma if you think it is good enough, Zeiss 15, R 15).

 

I do not worry about the time schedule. The 90-280 came 3 months earlier than announced. So if Leica needs money they will shift the schedule by a few months.

The selection of primes is maybe a bit strange (28 would have been nicer), but more will come, hopefully also an extender for the 90-280.

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There will always be some overlap with other lenses, if you have such a big zoom as the 24-90. That is the case in all systems.

For me this is not a problem of the other lenses, but an indication, that a "normal zoom" 24-90 is not normal and there should be a companion with a more restricted zoom range and better handling like a 28-70 or whatever Leica finds appropriate to reduce size and weight.

 

Not very long ago (before the Leica announcement) a 24-90 or 24-105 lens was rather regarded as a "amateur" lens compared to the "professional" lightfast 24-70. So here you can clearly see how foolish it is to classify lenses according to the label "professional".

 

To many a professional photographer a lens is "professional" if it fits into his usage pattern and is "amateur" if it does not fit. Not a very clever idea and not very objective/impartial.

 

Regarding the price and quality of Leica lenses it seems not very thoughtful to call some Leica lenses "amateur".   :p

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Hi!

I hope that Shipping will be before end of 2016 in stead of end of 2017!

Thanks!

 

Both wrong...how about Spring of 2018...  http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/264583-five-new-leica-sl-lenses-to-be-announced/?p=3114844

 

I guess this will give me more time to consider early offerings from Hasselblad (X1D) and likely Fuji, in addition to the SL as complements to my M system.  Just need some (weather sealed) primes outside the 28-90 range.

 

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