DNG file storage

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If DVDs were going to be the last development in storage, then the data might last a hundred years but given that they are already replaced by the clouds and streaming for most uses then 20 more years would be a stretch.

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[ralphh]

I believe it's just likely to be a matter of cost. You can still get ancient video formats, inc magnetic tapes etc digitised. 

 

Will you you computer have a dvd drive in 100 years? No chance.

Will you be able to pay someone through the nose to get your files back off a dvd in 100 years? I'd say yes

[Adam]

I don't think ransomware for Mac exists, and viruses are rare.

It exists: KeeRanger. More is sure to come. There is also ransom-ware for iPhones. Where there is a market there will be hacks.

 

Viruses were rare relative to Windows since it is run on more machines, and OS has built in protection. But they exist. Some of them are nasty. Plus if you have a MAC and a Windows machine, the Mac can pass viruses on to your Windows machine.

 

I backup my whole computer, not just the photos, so I prefer to have clean offline archives. It is just common sense.

 

In general would be skeptical of Apple marketing. They had a campaign that Mac's are virus free. It was dropped after a series of embarrassing virus attacks.  But feel free to keep believing Apple. Over the years, I have heard all sorts of myths, even that Macs don't need a firewall. To me, if it is too good to be true, then it is. 

[ECohen]

Some years back, I came across "TDK Archival 100 Year DVD" discs.

My work, some 700GB of files is stored presently on 3 hard drives.

I thought, a master set of my images .... (which I still have yet to do, mind you), would be a compact and long range solution to the storage situation.

 

I know that the DVD is being phased out, and players, in the future might be difficult to come across 

But does anyone think storage on "Archival" DVD's worthwhile?

thanks,

rafael

 

 

"Will you be able to pay someone through the nose to get your files back off a DVD in 100 years? "

 

Please know I'm not saying back up is unnecessary........ But I have one question:

 

Who will want to look at all my photos in 100 years? I have been shooting photos for 50 years. So far, In my lifetime I have made a few hundred (less than 1000) photos that I love and that may be worth something/a look, to great, great grand children.

 

My interest in back up, filing and archiving is for my life and my enjoyment of my tens of thousands of photos that I am accessing fairly regular, now and for the next 20 years. 

 

I am not talking about working professionally or selling stock photography. That is a different matter....I worked in the throw away world of Advertising photography, 30 years...now being retired, those photos have long been thrown away. Paper, negatives and electronics from all this work I kept a very small handful for my personal memories....enjoyment....and future use in my current work.

 

Will our grand children take the time to look through Terabytes and Terabytes...and Terabytes  of antique hard drives and other currently available storage mediums? We are in a very awkward time in terms of the storage of our "memories" and what we will leave of the photographs we take so much joy and care in making.

 

My guess is that prints in a album for family photos and my pictorial work in self published books and archival prints....to my current specs.

Leaving one small double backed up HD....just in case I become famous, posthumously

 

The other day I handed my daughter a DVD with 50 or 75 photos from a family event......all very nice photos .....if I say so myself.

With a strange look..... she says "email them to me I don't really use my computer for pictures.... just my phone or ipad".

.......I smiled gave her the disc and said you may want to start a family file someplace safe.

That night I emailed her 6 of the most memorable photos from the disc.

 

So... what is every ones reality? Now and for the future of our memories.

Has anyone else on this forum given this matter any consideration?

 

Thoughts welcome

[elephant]

ECohen,

 

If you like to share photos without having to email or via CDs or DVDs but at the same time limit the accessibility, you may want consider a NAS (network attached storage). This allows others per your permission to view the photos remotely be it from a mobile device or a laptop. Look at Synology's products especially the software that it comes with. Note that you would have to buy the Hard disks separately. Another benefit of this is that you can mirror a HDD to another in the same NAS box for back up and redundancy. I hope this helps.

 

 

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[jaapv]

It exists: KeeRanger. More is sure to come. There is also ransom-ware for iPhones. Where there is a market there will be hacks.

 

Viruses were rare relative to Windows since it is run on more machines, and OS has built in protection. But they exist. Some of them are nasty. Plus if you have a MAC and a Windows machine, the Mac can pass viruses on to your Windows machine.

 

I backup my whole computer, not just the photos, so I prefer to have clean offline archives. It is just common sense.

 

In general would be skeptical of Apple marketing. They had a campaign that Mac's are virus free. It was dropped after a series of embarrassing virus attacks.  But feel free to keep believing Apple. Over the years, I have heard all sorts of myths, even that Macs don't need a firewall. To me, if it is too good to be true, then it is. 

Don't worry, my Macs have virus protection and are backed up... I'm not daft...

[FlashGordonPhotography]

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I print the images that are most important to me. That's probably the only backup that matters.

 

Seriously.....

 

When my kids bury me, I don't think they'll be interested in trolling through hundreds of thousands of images (I shoot over a 100K images a years for work and play), so I make the only type of copy that I know they'll be able to access regardless of time and technology. Sure I have all the proper digital stuff in place. Raids in the office and multiple off site backups. Catalogues. It's important to me to have that stuff and I take it very seriously. But I don't expect other to see it that way or even understand how to utilise it. I'm not Vivian Mayer. I won't be "discovered" after I'm gone.

 

Every year I make a book, on archival paper of the essence of my photos. The stuff I couldn't dare to not have. I'm currently in a medium term project of digitising my old film stocks and other prints to make episodes 1, 2 and 3 for my kids to have.

 

Reading this thread makes me think I should print a second copy of my books for off site storage.

 

Gordon

[ECohen]

I print the images that are most important to me. That's probably the only backup that matters.

 

Seriously.....

 

When my kids bury me, I don't think they'll be interested in trolling through hundreds of thousands of images (I shoot over a 100K images a years for work and play), so I make the only type of copy that I know they'll be able to access regardless of time and technology. Sure I have all the proper digital stuff in place. Raids in the office and multiple off site backups. Catalogues. It's important to me to have that stuff and I take it very seriously. But I don't expect other to see it that way or even understand how to utilise it. I'm not Vivian Mayer. I won't be "discovered" after I'm gone.

 

Every year I make a book, on archival paper of the essence of my photos. The stuff I couldn't dare to not have. I'm currently in a medium term project of digitising my old film stocks and other prints to make episodes 1, 2 and 3 for my kids to have.

 

Reading this thread makes me think I should print a second copy of my books for off site storage.

 

Gordon

+1

especially the Vivian Mayer comment.....archive..... she never even developed/printed most of her work.....I do love the idea of her ....working for the enjoyment of only herself.

I do make several copies of my books because if one gets dogeared over time,I don't like to think of them as precious children

[Aliturk]

I use Backblaze for cloud storage - a flat fee for unlimited storage.  I'm lucky to have FTTP broadband with symetrical 100m/bit connection, so transfer speeds for DNGs aren't really an issue for me.  I also have Time Machine backup of my photos drive, and the same photos drive gets backed up to another external drive every day using SuperDuper

[Peter Kilmister]

Backup your backups, and pack up all your troubles in your old kit bag, and smile, boys, smile.

[Adam]

Don't worry, my Macs have virus protection and are backed up... I'm not daft...

My apologies if I sounded patronizing. That was not the intention. I used to work as an admin on the side, and had to deal with a lot of 'my computer is safe' myths.

[250swb]

The other day I handed my daughter a DVD with 50 or 75 photos from a family event......all very nice photos .....if I say so myself.

With a strange look..... she says "email them to me I don't really use my computer for pictures.... just my phone or ipad".

.......I smiled gave her the disc and said you may want to start a family file someplace safe.

That night I emailed her 6 of the most memorable photos from the disc.

 

 

 

As a general point it should be every photographers priority to edit their own work and that goes equally for family events, exhibitions, posting on the internet, or posterity. Save everything on backed up hard drives, save the good ones on the Cloud (or even Flickr) as well. Having a hierarchy to saving images creates a cohesive body of work from a chaos of images, and ultimately helps the photographer criticise their own work. But never ever delete the cannon fodder from hard drives or the PC, you never know when you will need an image, or when something suddenly becomes topical or important.

 

Steve

[ECohen]

As a general point it should be every photographers priority to edit their own work and that goes equally for family events, exhibitions, posting on the internet, or posterity. Save everything on backed up hard drives, save the good ones on the Cloud (or even Flickr) as well. Having a hierarchy to saving images creates a cohesive body of work from a chaos of images, and ultimately helps the photographer criticise their own work. But never ever delete the cannon fodder from hard drives or the PC, you never know when you will need an image, or when something suddenly becomes topical or important.

 

Steve

 

Thanks for the input...Generally I agree with your post .

I'm very critical of my personal photography, less critical of family photography......I also shoot for  friends/family's  and beyond delivery that never gets saved...too long

 

Like all of you I shoot a lot. The older I get the more I throw files/work  away.....I am not talking about bad out of focus shots, my hit rate surprisingly great.  I throw away stuff that is not relevant or  of value to me at he time I look  at it.....after a brief cooling off period. Fifty years of photography and making photographs is  a strange place to be.  I'm sure I have chucked some great shots. But since I no longer do this as a business, I have that freedom.

Having  Terabytes and Terabytes to store  is so heavy a responsibility. Being ultra selective is worth the risk.....to me and my age......Trust me I still have far too many HD,s ....in storage...double backed up.

And I do wish I was more organized from the get go.

 

I love photography and Photoshop far more than I love the computer ....and before that the file cabinet.

 

Let me also say I do appreciate this forum and its computer geeks. I truly hold that personality trait in high regard.

[rafael_macia]

   > ECohen

"I am not talking about working professionally or selling stock photography. That is a different matter...."

 

That's the area I have worked in all my life.

It doesn't bother me that my works gets trashed  one day. I just want it to be there  .... let them decide.

a la Vivian Mayer ........

 

A lot of good solutions in this thread !

[ECohen]

I am curious, what percentage of this forum, has worked professionally, still works professionally and who shots just for the love of photography?
 

In a some ways it makes a  difference when creating ones lifetime archive of images.

Jaap Do you know?

 

[ralphh]

I currently work professionally (Canon) and photograph for pleasure too (Leica). I over-shoot to make sure I got 'the one', and I delete 90% of the photos I take. I do not need the hassle of storing bad photos in their millions.

 

I suspect it depends of what type of work. Editorial or stock, I can see that you may never know when you may need a photo. I shoot portraits. I am not gonna have a client ring me up 5 years later and say "do you have a blurry photo where it looks like I'm having a stroke?"

 

I don't know if my profile would reflect that. Probably very hard for the mods to know. We'd need a poll!

[marchyman]

I currently work professionally (Canon) and photograph for pleasure too (Leica). I over-shoot to make sure I got 'the one', and I delete 90% of the photos I take. I do not need the hassle of storing bad photos in their millions.

 

 

 I can't seem to bring myself to delete images.  Now I am not a professional photographer. I'm not even a very good photographer, but I keep trying.     That translates to many gigabytes of bad photos taking up storage space.  I really should learn to use the delete key.

[ECohen]

 I can't seem to bring myself to delete images.  Now I am not a professional photographer. I'm not even a very good photographer, but I keep trying.     That translates to many gigabytes of bad photos taking up storage space.  I really should learn to use the delete key.

 

I'm also great at helping friends clean out their clutter....it's a very liberating experience

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[ralphh]

I can't seem to bring myself to delete images.  Now I am not a professional photographer. I'm not even a very good photographer, but I keep trying.     That translates to many gigabytes of bad photos taking up storage space.  I really should learn to use the delete key.

Well i know I can always take more bad images. It the good ones I'm desperate to hang onto

[FlashGordonPhotography]

I am curious, what percentage of this forum, has worked professionally, still works professionally and who shots just for the love of photography?

 

 

 

 

Well, I am all of the above.

 

I'm actually more careful with my personal stuff. What happens to my work images when I'm gone is irrelevant. It's the photos of my family that matter to me.

 

Gordon