Leica SL or Hasselblad X1D

[steppenw0lf]

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I speak only for myself. So I wonder why anybody thinks I speak for him.

Do I really have to add this to all entries, so that nobody could misunderstand it ?

Any other disclaimers I need to add (to avoid this sort of false claims) ?

Edited November 26, 2016 by steppenw0lf

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[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

Looks like Stephon has got his knickers in a twist..................chill man chill, its just a camera not a act of peppermint

[EoinC]

I speak only for myself. So I wonder why anybody thinks I speak for him.

Do I really have to add this to all entries, so that nobody could misunderstand it ?

Any other disclaimers I need to add (to avoid this sort of false claims) ?

Because you stated what it is that amateurs need / don't need.

[EoinC]

Looks like Stephon has got his knickers in a twist..................chill man chill, its just a camera not a act of peppermint

I like your phone more and more, Neil.

[Belle123]

The naysayers who always defend their current gear over anything new and different......boring. I should be getting my X1D shortly here, assuming no further shipping slips. I feel no need to defend my decision. The new Hasselblad is totally different than anything else I have currently, or anything else available. To finally own a medium format, large sensor, reasonable size, 50mp camera is an exciting step. Do I need it? No. But that isn't going to stop me from giving it a go and seeing what this thing can do. The SL never tugged at me to buy. Just a higher end 35mm and didn't see any reason to switch from M to SL, or add. Maybe if I needed the speed. But as mostly a landscape photographer, think the X1D will be exciting. If not, then I will get rid of it. But how boring to read people who are defensive about anyone else's decision to try it.

[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

The naysayers who always defend their current gear over anything new and different......boring. I should be getting my X1D shortly here, assuming no further shipping slips. I feel no need to defend my decision. The new Hasselblad is totally different than anything else I have currently, or anything else available. To finally own a medium format, large sensor, reasonable size, 50mp camera is an exciting step. Do I need it? No. But that isn't going to stop me from giving it a go and seeing what this thing can do. The SL never tugged at me to buy. Just a higher end 35mm and didn't see any reason to switch from M to SL, or add. Maybe if I needed the speed. But as mostly a landscape photographer, think the X1D will be exciting. If not, then I will get rid of it. But how boring to read people who are defensive about anyone else's decision to try it.

 

+1

[steppenw0lf]

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I had the opportunity to try the Milvus 21mm f2.8 ZE on my 5Ds. I was very pleasantly surprised - results were much better than the Canon UWA lenses used before. A really wonderful 21mm lens and there is even a wider lens, the 18mm f2.8 Milvus.

What I really like about them is the short closest focusing distance, that still offers very high IQ.

As I have this gear (SL and 5Ds) I do not feel as a naysayer if I think I feel no need to "upgrade" to a X1D. It gives me all I need - and as stated before I can really not see that the X1D is a clear improvement upon that.

If I need it, I have the 50 MP. I have a wide choice of first-class optics. And they are affordable. What do I need more ?  I have no reason to start from scratch with a new system.

(The money is better spent on lenses for the cameras I already own, or saved for later upgrades.)

(The Milvus lenses also work nicely attached to a SL, but agreed in this case only with 24 MP).     

 

 

Disclaimer: All only personal opinion, personal decisions. In no way meant to be valid for everybody else. (No offence, so no defence needed.)

Edited November 26, 2016 by steppenw0lf

[IkarusJohn]

I speak only for myself. So I wonder why anybody thinks I speak for him.

Do I really have to add this to all entries, so that nobody could misunderstand it ?

Any other disclaimers I need to add (to avoid this sort of false claims) ?

Perhaps you should consider what prompted Eoin's post.

[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

Perhaps you should consider what prompted Eoin's post.

+1 Pepermint

[thighslapper]

The naysayers who always defend their current gear over anything new and different......boring. I should be getting my X1D shortly here, assuming no further shipping slips. I feel no need to defend my decision. The new Hasselblad is totally different than anything else I have currently, or anything else available. To finally own a medium format, large sensor, reasonable size, 50mp camera is an exciting step. Do I need it? No. But that isn't going to stop me from giving it a go and seeing what this thing can do. The SL never tugged at me to buy. Just a higher end 35mm and didn't see any reason to switch from M to SL, or add. Maybe if I needed the speed. But as mostly a landscape photographer, think the X1D will be exciting. If not, then I will get rid of it. But how boring to read people who are defensive about anyone else's decision to try it.

 

my principle entirely ........ buy and try , rather than endless speculation and reliance on others dubious assessments. 

 

with new and hard to source products you can usually sell on at a minimal loss ..... and occasional profit.

 

nothing ever beats the sobering effect of substantial wallet/purse lightening when it comes to deciding if a camera really does what you want it to ..........

 

If it had sensor based OIS and I could stick Leica lenses on it I would be tempted ..... otherwise it is a step too far for me and would involve liquidating something ...... I decided some time ago never  to go down the path of having multiple manufacturers camera systems on the go simultaneously again .... and try to get rid of stuff I don't use a lot before it becomes completely worthless.....

Edited November 27, 2016 by thighslapper

[Chaemono]

I cannot help thinking that many amateur M users might consider switching to the X1D or getting it in addition to the M. Focusing with a rangefinder is getting increasingly difficult as one gets older. While the SL offers an alternative that's compatible with all the Leica glas one already owns, the desire to have an even better sensor than what Leica in a compact form can offer today with the convinience of AF could be tempting to many.

Edited November 27, 2016 by Chaemono

[lct]

Been tempting indeed but those bulky lenses are a deal breaker for me. Smaller MF lenses could have been perfect from this standpoint.

[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

I cannot help thinking that many amateur M users might consider switching to the X1D or getting it in addition to the M. Focusing with a rangefinder is getting increasingly difficult as one gets older. While the SL offers an alternative that's compatible with all the Leica glas one already owns, the desire to have an even better sensor than what Leica in a compact form can offer today with the convinience of AF could be tempting to many.

 

I think the new M that is coming out in the spring has a 36 megabyte sensor so the M is getting up there with the MF but only just peeking

[Belle123]

my principle entirely ........ buy and try , rather than endless speculation and reliance on others dubious assessments. 

 

with new and hard to source products you can usually sell on at a minimal loss ..... and occasional profit.

 

nothing ever beats the sobering effect of substantial wallet/purse lightening when it comes to deciding if a camera really does what you want it to ..........

 

If it had sensor based OIS and I could stick Leica lenses on it I would be tempted ..... otherwise it is a step too far for me and would involve liquidating something ...... I decided some time ago never  to go down the path of having multiple manufacturers camera systems on the go simultaneously again .... and try to get rid of stuff I don't use a lot before it becomes completely worthless.....

my principle entirely ........ buy and try , rather than endless speculation and reliance on others dubious assessments. 

 

with new and hard to source products you can usually sell on at a minimal loss ..... and occasional profit.

 

nothing ever beats the sobering effect of substantial wallet/purse lightening when it comes to deciding if a camera really does what you want it to ..........

 

If it had sensor based OIS and I could stick Leica lenses on it I would be tempted ..... otherwise it is a step too far for me and would involve liquidating something ...... I decided some time ago never  to go down the path of having multiple manufacturers camera systems on the go simultaneously again .... and try to get rid of stuff I don't use a lot before it becomes completely worthless.....

For me, it's all about going large sensor and medium format, and finally affordable and in something that doesn't look like carrying a car. And, as a side note, I am liquidating a few M lenses to soften the financial blow. I shoot with the M246 and find the much older lenses I have work best on that camera so getting rid of all newer ones. No need for them.

[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

Is the sensor the same sensor that is in the CFV50c??

Hasselblad it SL

[Belle123]

Is the sensor the same sensor that is in the CFV50c??

Hasselblad it SL

I think it is, but can't confirm. It would be a huge change to put in the SL, which would probably mean all new system due to dimensions. More likely, new S. I would certainly bet the X1D has Leica thinking. If Hasselblad can do it that compact, they should be able.

[Peter H]

Is the sensor the same sensor that is in the CFV50c??

Hasselblad it SL

 

Yes it is according to the Hasselblad reps I spoke to.

 

 

(Also the H6D-50C, Pentax 645Z and the upcoming Fuji GFX50s.)

Edited November 27, 2016 by Peter H

[FlashGordonPhotography]

Been tempting indeed but those bulky lenses are a deal breaker for me. Smaller MF lenses could have been perfect from this standpoint.

 

They're larger but incredibly light I've handled the Fujifilm lenses and they're feathers compared to the S lenses. No idea about optical comparisons though. It does seem that the Hasselblad and Fuji systems will weigh less than the SL system and maybe about the same as a mid range Canikon with a similar lens selection.

 

Personally I need/want weight savings more than size differences. I prefer the larger SL over the tiny Sony's. So Leica could make a mirrorless S and a range of f4.5 lenses and save a huge amount of weight while still keeping the faster/heavier stuff in an S mount.

 

I have more than one 36MP+ 35mm camera. None of them render or resolve like a MF sensor. The Leica S handily out performs the SonyA7R2 with significantly less pixels. As does the Pentax 645Z with 25 year old lenses.

 

As interested in the HB as I am, it remains to be seen how the lenses perform compared to what I already have. I'm spoiled by the fast and brilliant S lenses already.

 

Gordon

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[thighslapper]

.... yes .... but then all the usual suspects would moan about the 'crappy slow f4.5 Leica lenses' 

 

manufacturers like Leica that rely almost entirely on 'quality' as unique selling point are hamstrung by their own desire to be niche.

 

If they went down the 'cheaper and cheerful' route I doubt they have the scale to do the 'cheaper' bit .....

[wattsy]

manufacturers like Leica that rely almost entirely on 'quality' as unique selling point are hamstrung by their own desire to be niche.

 

If they went down the 'cheaper and cheerful' route I doubt they have the scale to do the 'cheaper' bit .....

 

 

I agree but small(er) and slow(er) needn't mean "cheaper" or a compromise on quality. The 'new' F5.6 28mm M (at £1900) and the established F4 90 M-Macro-Elmar (at around £2500) are two examples where Leica probably doesn't need to worry too much about ramping production to meet demand but I would guess are still profitable products for the company.