Leica SL or Hasselblad X1D

[alib]

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John Gorten?

 

I've enquired about the X1D + 45 + 90, might consider getting it all at once.

 

There is a faster 80mm lens due for 2nd half 2018.

I sold my240 and a couple of lenses to fund the x1d & 45mm and so far, after several days, I am very happy and do not feel like making the switch was a mistake, which is what I was dreading.

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[dancook]

There is a faster 80mm lens due for 2nd half 2018.

I sold my240 and a couple of lenses to fund the x1d & 45mm and so far, after several days, I am very happy and do not feel like making the switch was a mistake, which is what I was dreading.

 

I was thinking about the 30mm even, 30+80? hmm

[alib]

I was thinking about the 30mm even, 30+80? hmm

 

I looked at the mtf charts (1st time for everything) for the 30mm and 45mm... the 30mm is better, but for me a bit wide for my usual needs.

I have yet to get the M to X1D adapter to try my fast 50mm lens, but if the new 80mm gives me the feel of what my M lenses did, then the need for the adapter lessens.

Someone has said it above somewhere, the degree to which you can pull and push the x1d files about was an eye opener for me.

 

The x1d with 45mm lens easily fits in the same camera bag as I used to use for my M & 50mm cron and feels no heavier.... whereas the SL needed a bigger bag and felt heavy in comparison.

 

There is learning curve as there is with any new camera operating system, so far so good with the X1D, easy, simple and does what I want it to do quickly and without diving into layers of menus. Unlike the A7R which I tried and then decided it to fiddly after only a few shoots.

[LD_50]

The X1D looks very nice. I like the overall plan for the system and the responsiveness to customers is cool to see (via Ming Thein).

 

That said I don’t really understand all the comments about the Sony sensor and the ability to push files heavily in post. I have shot high dynamic range cameras but rarely find myself needing any dramatic exposure changes for highlights and shadows to achieve the look I want.

 

Do many here regularly make these sorts of adjustments or is it more of a “it’s great to try” type thing that isn’t actually used often?

[alib]

The X1D looks very nice. I like the overall plan for the system and the responsiveness to customers is cool to see (via Ming Thein).

 

That said I don’t really understand all the comments about the Sony sensor and the ability to push files heavily in post. I have shot high dynamic range cameras but rarely find myself needing any dramatic exposure changes for highlights and shadows to achieve the look I want.

 

Do many here regularly make these sorts of adjustments or is it more of a “it’s great to try” type thing that isn’t actually used often?

 

Not really something that is needed often in what I do, but when you do need it, it is nice to have and to be able to use without it destroying the image.... 

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[Bill W]

The X1D looks very nice. I like the overall plan for the system and the responsiveness to customers is cool to see (via Ming Thein).

 

That said I don’t really understand all the comments about the Sony sensor and the ability to push files heavily in post. I have shot high dynamic range cameras but rarely find myself needing any dramatic exposure changes for highlights and shadows to achieve the look I want.

 

Do many here regularly make these sorts of adjustments or is it more of a “it’s great to try” type thing that isn’t actually used often?

 

I have recently started taking 7 shot brackets as that option just became available recently. I then process them all in Aurora HDR. The resulting image can be stunning. Is this necessary....probably not but it is fun to play around with. 

[FlashGordonPhotography]

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Hmm..I would disagree on this. While the leaf shutter has its advantages especially with a flash syncing, the leaf shutter with regards to X1D can cause some slight movement. I’ve had to take two or three shots of the same to get one shot tack sharp. If there was OIS built into the camera body this would alleviate this issue.

 

I'd have to disagree on this. I have two bodies and all the XCD lenses plus a few HC ones. I can shoot happily at 1/FL, which is pretty good for a large sensor. I can get quite a bit lower than that if my technique is impeccable. Kind of like shooting an M10.

 

IBIS on a mini MF sensor is probably unrealistic on a camera this size. Maybe in the GFX? I do wish the zoom had added IS. That would have been nice.

 

Gordon

[FlashGordonPhotography]

The X1D looks very nice. I like the overall plan for the system and the responsiveness to customers is cool to see (via Ming Thein).

 

That said I don’t really understand all the comments about the Sony sensor and the ability to push files heavily in post. I have shot high dynamic range cameras but rarely find myself needing any dramatic exposure changes for highlights and shadows to achieve the look I want.

 

Do many here regularly make these sorts of adjustments or is it more of a “it’s great to try” type thing that isn’t actually used often?

 

Those comments are usually mine.

 

I do tend to agree with you. If you shoot to the sensor almost any camera makes mice files. And I often walk around with a m43 camera and don't feel limited. Or the SL which I almost always carry in preference to a "better" Sony (they mostly aren't btw...)

 

With the X1D however, *I* find that I'm using it in situations where the extra DR is appreciated. Landscapes. Street scenes. I don't often need the extra DR but the X1D sensor (GFX, 645Z etc) allows this to be effortless and the results don't look HDR. So in the usage envelope of the X1D it's nice to have.

 

Necessary? No.

 

Gordon

[LD_50]

Not really something that is needed often in what I do, but when you do need it, it is nice to have and to be able to use without it destroying the image....

I agree it’s a nice to have option. If the highlights are not blown I can usually push the shadows on my M240, SL, and RX1 without any issue. I am seeing dynamic range as “the new high-ISO” with many cameras. In other words it’s cool to have but not necessary for much of what I shoot. It also sells cameras and invites popular comparisons and shootouts.

[LD_50]

I have recently started taking 7 shot brackets as that option just became available recently. I then process them all in Aurora HDR. The resulting image can be stunning. Is this necessary....probably not but it is fun to play around with.

7 shot brackets sort of eliminates the need for high dynamic range altogether doesn’t it?

[LD_50]

Those comments are usually mine.

 

I do tend to agree with you. If you shoot to the sensor almost any camera makes mice files. And I often walk around with a m43 camera and don't feel limited. Or the SL which I almost always carry in preference to a "better" Sony (they mostly aren't btw...)

 

With the X1D however, *I* find that I'm using it in situations where the extra DR is appreciated. Landscapes. Street scenes. I don't often need the extra DR but the X1D sensor (GFX, 645Z etc) allows this to be effortless and the results don't look HDR. So in the usage envelope of the X1D it's nice to have.

 

Necessary? No.

 

Gordon

That makes sense, it’s definitely nice to have post processing headroom. I found once I started shooting a D4s, I was using high ISO much more often. I then started shooting the M240 and felt like my photography got better even with a more limited shooting envelope.

[Bill W]

7 shot brackets sort of eliminates the need for high dynamic range altogether doesn’t it?

 

You could say that but with Aurora, it makes it very easy to merge them and it does not create over cooked HDR examples. You can certainly turn up the heat if you wish but if is not to my liking. Aurora will process the raw X1D files in the processing. 

[Bill W]

The one glitch in the X1D bracketing is that you cannot use self timer to start your bracketing and the first image might not be sharp. This is a glitch that Hasselblad is supposed to address. If you turn on bracketing, it turns off self timer. 

[Jeff S]

I do wish the zoom had added IS. That would have been nice.

 

+1

 

Jeff

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Did you try this and it does not work?

 

Yes, it says "This adapter is not supported" when turning on the camera.  

[Guest VVJ]

tried this ?

 

No I haven't.  No autofocus obviously.  Do you have any personal experience with it?

[frame-it]

nope but i saw it recently in hong kong

[Photon42]

Yes, it says "This adapter is not supported" when turning on the camera.  

 

 

That is an odd limitation. So no SL->S->L-Adapter-C stacking 

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[FlashGordonPhotography]

That is an odd limitation. So no SL->S->L-Adapter-C stacking 

Not as odd as that the S to L adaptor doesn’t work on the CL. The double adaptor issue makes sense in that it’s two protocol translations in a row. Probably not something the camera processor can handle.

 

Gordon

[Guest VVJ]

Not as odd as that the S to L adaptor doesn’t work on the CL. The double adaptor issue makes sense in that it’s two protocol translations in a row. Probably not something the camera processor can handle.

 

Somehow you expect a little bit more from $3K combined in stacking...