Leica SL or Hasselblad X1D

[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

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Looks like they are out on the street already [emoji3][emoji3]

 

 

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[tom0511]

Okay I've got it.............I guess it was wishful thinking that I would have been able to use the XQD lenses on my S.

 

So forward thinking;

 

Leica S007 for studio/Landscape

Nikon D5 for fast angry stuff like Safari, motor sports, and Birding

Hasselblad 503CW for my love of shooting film

Hasselblad X!D for Street and travel Photography

iPhone 7 for everything else

 

I think I'm covered :)

What would the X1D do for you what the S007 doesnt ? I can see that its smaller, but compared to a Leica M or Fuji its still big lens.

[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

What would the X1D do for you what the S007 doesnt ? I can see that its smaller, but compared to a Leica M or Fuji its still big lens.

exactly that. The S007 as we all know is the dogs. There isn't much out theater that is better, but it's heavy, really heavy for a walk around town system, so that's where the X1D steps in and fills that gap........... after you've been shooting MF for over two years there's a reluctance to go back to a 135 :)

[Peter H]

What would the X1D do for you what the S007 doesnt ? I can see that its smaller, but compared to a Leica M or Fuji its still big lens.

 

The X1D is smaller, lighter and less expensive than the S007, which might count for some people.

[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

The X1D is smaller, lighter and less expensive than the S007, which might count for some people.

+1

[steppenw0lf]

Yes, I think it is really a good idea to buy the X1D to save money.

But I really like the photo of the girl with the Hassi. (721)

Was it taken with a X1D ? So remember this photo is convincing - for the camera that was used to shoot it.   

 

Why were the black areas not removed - should this "proove" anything ?

Edited November 20, 2016 by steppenw0lf

[LocalHero1953]

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Yes, I think it is really a good idea to buy the X1D to save money.

But I really like the photo of the girl with the Hassi. (721)

Was it taken with a X1D ? So remember this photo is convincing - for the camera that was used to shoot it.   

 

Why were the black areas not removed - should this "proove" anything ?

Not necessarily taken with the X1D. But as the man said, it shows the X1D is on the street - somewhere.

Edited November 20, 2016 by LocalHero1953

[Jon Warwick]

The X1D is smaller, lighter and less expensive than the S007, which might count for some people.

 

I've handled the X1D.

With the 45mm lens, it felt much smaller than i'd expected -- it's really nicely sized and nicely balanced in the hand.

It felt a lot smaller and lighter than the S.  I loved the leaf shutter compared to a mirror.

If Hasselblad ever added a wide tilt/shift, i'd be all in ....

For large prints, a 50mp MF sensor is miles ahead compared to a 24mp FF sensor - really not comparable IQ (depth of tonality, smoothness etc) at all in my view.

[steppenw0lf]

What size do you print ? For me it is mainly 30x40 cm, if at all. With "large" you probably mean bigger ?

How big is your typical output ?   ( And I wonder, which device do you use to produce it ?)

[EoinC]

Not necessarily taken with the X1D. But as the man said, it shows the X1D is on the street - somewhere.

If it weren't for the evolutionary development of opposable thumbs, this example may have ended up on the street.

[tom0511]

The X1D is smaller, lighter and less expensive than the S007, which might count for some people.

 

Less expensive is not so much a factor for people who already own a S007. If I didnt own one allready I would spend a good time with both cameras before making a decision. But allready owning the S007 my interest is not so high. Specially being on a third generation camera with lenses available from 24-180mm with and without CS.

Just back from a 3 hours hike with the SL+24-90 in my backpack and my little daughter on the shoulders.

The camera was not the main weight factor.

[Jon Warwick]

What size do you print ? For me it is mainly 30x40 cm, if at all. With "large" you probably mean bigger ?

How big is your typical output ?   ( And I wonder, which device do you use to produce it ?)

 

yes, much larger - 50" wide.  At that size, a 24mp FF is struggling.  A 50mp MF at that size holds its own much better and prints from it look a bit like 5x4 large format film - the 50mp has a bit less resolution but with higher acuity than 5x4, but both with great colour tonality and depth.

For 30x40cm, i would expect to see very little difference between a 24mp FF and 50mp MF.

Key also to me is i much prefer the sensor shape of the X1D (compared to the 3x2 shape of 35mm FF or to the Leica S).  I'm familiar with 6x7 or 5x4 film, and don't really like the 3x2 native shape.

[orc999]

I checked the weight of the new hassy lenses, they are lighter then expected, quality might have to been proven first.

 

Be aware that they are f3.5 / f3.2 lenses - so if you plan to shoot in low light you have to count that in.

Besides the 50mp sensor MIGHT need a bit higher shutter speeds then the 24mp  if you want to get the resolution advantage.

[IkarusJohn]

For Peter, and anyone else who has used this camera for an extended period (I don't mean days, but continuous use), a number of issues remain unresolved for me:

 

(1)  EVF - is there a significant black out? (Leica T, M(240) levels would be a killer for me, whereas the SL is no worse, and probably better than what you get with an SLR) and what is the EVF experience like - refresh rate, relatively low resolution etc

 

(2)  Heat - this is a big sensor in a small body.  Have you noticed increased noise or other heat related issues when taking a number of shots in succession?

 

(3)  Lenses - Ming Thein raves about the 90mm (75mm equivalent field of view), but that makes for a big camera overall.  The 30mm would be appealing as a companion to the 90mm (thereby skipping the 45mm - 35mm field of view)

 

This camera could easily end up being a system for me, which would mean ditching either the M system I have or the SL system.  Not too keen on either option, to be honest; particularly with an untested system ... My chances of a demo are limited, at best.  

 

What I would need to do is to buy the X1D and a lens, and see where I get to from there.  Either keep it, or reduce my M system.  I'm not sure where I would start!

[Jeff S]

If the SL system included a range of smaller, lighter and weather sealed primes, I'd have much less interest in the X1D.  But as it stands, the X1D and GFX remain of interest as a complement to the M, primarily for use of wider/longer lenses than 28-90, and for potentially more robust sealing.  I'm unlikely to ever sell the M as a small travel system for mid-range focal lengths, considering the tiny lenses, the superb RF and the wonderfully simple interface.

 

I share the X1D concerns John raises, although I don't mind the 90 having handled it in June, but a longer demo is still needed.  LensRentals will have the system to rent in the US; too bad there's not a similar source everywhere else, but I suspect some dealers might work out an arrangement once demand settles.

 

Good to have choices.  And I suspect even more are on the way....including of course the new M.

 

Jeff

[Peter H]

For Peter, and anyone else who has used this camera for an extended period (I don't mean days, but continuous use), a number of issues remain unresolved for me:

 

(1) EVF - is there a significant black out? (Leica T, M(240) levels would be a killer for me, whereas the SL is no worse, and probably better than what you get with an SLR) and what is the EVF experience like - refresh rate, relatively low resolution etc

 

(2) Heat - this is a big sensor in a small body. Have you noticed increased noise or other heat related issues when taking a number of shots in succession?

 

(3) Lenses - Ming Thein raves about the 90mm (75mm equivalent field of view), but that makes for a big camera overall. The 30mm would be appealing as a companion to the 90mm (thereby skipping the 45mm - 35mm field of view)

 

This camera could easily end up being a system for me, which would mean ditching either the M system I have or the SL system. Not too keen on either option, to be honest; particularly with an untested system ... My chances of a demo are limited, at best.

 

What I would need to do is to buy the X1D and a lens, and see where I get to from there. Either keep it, or reduce my M system. I'm not sure where I would start!

John, if I were to try and make a living as a professional reviewer I'd be starving under the railway arches along with many better people than me.

 

I must have forgotten to worry about the EVF. I used it all afternoon and it never once occurred to me that there might be something to concern myself with. It was very easy to use. I cannot vouch for there being no blackout, no latency or whatever it's called, it was just straightforward; I could see clearly all the time, I could focus manually or with AF, and it never interfered with concentrating on making the photos. I feel quite bad about not paying attention to the sort of sensible and important questions you're asking, but from my personal point of view, it was a joy to use and if anything stops me buying the X1D it won't be the viewfinder.

 

The camera did get warm to the touch. Not uncomfortably so, but you could feel it. But the noise, or lack of it, was astonishing to me and the thing that I think makes me wonder at the photos Ive printed. At 100 ISO there is no visible noise whatsoever, under a loupe or magnifying glass. I have certainly never produced such beautiful photos with a digital camera before. The depth and subtlety of colour and the clean detail are the closest to reality I've experienced. If this sounds like hyperbole, it's just how the photos make me feel.

 

But I have to wonder whether the Fuji may be even better. Not in the photos but perhaps in versatility, faster lenses, almost certainly a wider range of accessories and perhaps more regular fw updates, that sort of thing. I have no doubt that both the Hasselblad and the Fuji will, in the right circumstances, produce stunning photos and there will be types of photos for which they are far better suited than any full-frame camera, but whether you or I need such a camera, well, I've moved beyond need now.

 

The X1D was a joy to handle. Like an improved M. The extra weight and the larger than M-size lenses transmitted none of the sense of bulk that the SL does, but this is subjective.

 

I ought to be more critical. It can't be very useful to you to hear me gushing like this. But everything that it did enchanted me.

 

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Edited November 23, 2016 by Peter H

[IkarusJohn]

Thanks Peter, that's useful.

 

If I had to make a living out of photography, I'd certainly have no trouble losing weight ...

[meerec]

John, if I were to try and make a living as a professional reviewer I'd be starving under the railway arches along with many better people than me.

I must have forgotten to worry about the EVF. I used it all afternoon and it never once occurred to me that there might be something to concern myself with. It was very easy to use. I cannot vouch for there being no blackout, no latency or whatever it's called, it was just straightforward; I could see clearly all the time, I could focus manually or with AF, and it never interfered with concentrating on making the photos. I feel quite bad about not paying attention to the sort of sensible and important questions you're asking, but from my personal point of view, it was a joy to use and if anything stops me buying the X1D it won't be the viewfinder.

The camera did get warm to the touch. Not uncomfortably so, but you could feel it. But the noise, or lack of it, was astonishing to me and the thing that I think makes me wonder at the photos Ive printed. At 100 ISO there is no visible noise whatsoever, under a loupe or magnifying glass. I have certainly never produced such beautiful photos with a digital camera before. The depth and subtlety of colour and the clean detail are the closest to reality I've experienced. If this sounds like hyperbole, it's just how the photos make me feel.

But I have to wonder whether the Fuji may be even better. Not in the photos but perhaps in versatility, faster lenses, almost certainly a wider range of accessories and perhaps more regular fw updates, that sort of thing. I have no doubt that both the Hasselblad and the Fuji will, in the right circumstances, produce stunning photos and there will be types of photos for which they are far better suited than any full-frame camera, but whether you or I need such a camera, well, I've moved beyond need now.

The X1D was a joy to handle. Like an improved M. The extra weight and the larger than M-size lenses transmitted none of the sense of bulk that the SL does, but this is subjective.

I ought to be more critical. It can't be very useful to you to hear me gushing like this. But everything that it did enchanted me.

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Peter, I must admit you're not a good source of Information or feedback, or a good reviewer of X1D because you not only want but you whole heartedly desire this camera. It's obvious from the many posts in this thread LOL :-D You're clearly 'biased' by speaking from heart and emotions. It's not my critique of anything, just an observation. You're behind the point of being 'rational' and I can relate to this :-)

Edited November 24, 2016 by meerec

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[Chaemono]

The extra weight and the larger than M-size lenses transmitted none of the sense of bulk that the SL does, but this is subjective.

 

 

No, it's not subjective. It's ignoring the fact that the bulk on the SL comes from its native lenses which are 24-90 and 90-280 zooms or the fast 50/1.4. I wonder how "bulky" equivalent lenses for the X1D would feel. Makes me wonder how reliable all this gushing is.

[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

Thanks Peter, that's useful.

 

If I had to make a living out of photography, I'd certainly have no trouble losing weight ...

 

Same same.............I guess now that the Oil Field is the reason why I have a belly on me :)