Jeff S Posted October 27, 2016 Share #601 Posted October 27, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) When on a tripod, I use the scales on the M lenses for every scenario. If I'm going to spend $20,000+ on a new system and a range of optics, I'd use it for lots of scenarios, not just fashion or run-and-gun where accurate depth-of-field is less of a concern. But on a tripod you have LV and focus magnification to see what the camera really sees, with no need to calculate or guess. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ski542002 Posted October 27, 2016 Share #602 Posted October 27, 2016 Hi Jeff: I respectfully disagree. Live view and focus magnification won't show you an accurate range of focus at the shooting aperture. If anything, the screen would be so dark (at F8 or deeper), it'd be virtually impossible to accurately preview; if the X1D even has a depth-of-field preview button. Tethering is an option to be able to preview the depth of focus needed on a larger laptop screen, but it's still much faster and more accurate to use scales. IMO, using live view and focus magnification is much more of a guess than the scales on a lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 27, 2016 Share #603 Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) Well, if using a tripod, one can always bracket, especially if wasting film is of no concern. BTW, I prefer aperture rings (and OVF) as well, but don't rely to the same degree on DOF scales with digital as I did with film (less accurate). The S007, however, has a nifty DOF scale on the top LCD screen, which David Farkas uses extensively. A key priority for my eventual trial with the X1D will be the quality of the EVF in general, i.e., how I 'see' the subject....but that's something I've discussed often. To each his own. Jeff Edited October 27, 2016 by Jeff S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 27, 2016 Share #604 Posted October 27, 2016 Up till now, we have seen very few photos except Ming's, of course. But before investing in a camera with a pricetag of a Mini One, I would like to see some more outdoor shots. So far, I haven't got my demo yet I hope that your decision will be based on your own shots and prints, using your own workflow, not some screen posts from others. Isn't that what the demo is for? I plan to rent one for a week. Jeff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 27, 2016 Share #605 Posted October 27, 2016 [...] Live view and focus magnification won't show you an accurate range of focus at the shooting aperture. If anything, the screen would be so dark (at F8 or deeper), it'd be virtually impossible to accurately preview [...] Hard to believe. Why would this work on FF and not on MF? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski542002 Posted October 27, 2016 Share #606 Posted October 27, 2016 Hard to believe. Why would this work on FF and not on MF? Hi: I think our replies are getting confused in the semantics. The format has nothing to do with it. If you can find a manual-everything camera with a depth-of-field preview lever/button. Stop the lens down to F8, or F11, and depress the preview button. I'd challenge anyone to "accurately" determine precise depth-of-field when looking thru a viewfinder (evf or optical) when stopped-down. This will be my last reply at-least on this component of the thread. I'm going off-topic. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenia Posted October 27, 2016 Share #607 Posted October 27, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I hope that your decision will be based on your own shots and prints, using your own workflow, not some screen posts from others. Isn't that what the demo is for? I plan to rent one for a week. Jeff I think, have mentioned it several times: I am waiting for my demo with my own card and preferable outdoors. So, don't worry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 27, 2016 Share #608 Posted October 27, 2016 I think, have mentioned it several times: I am waiting for my demo with my own card and preferable outdoors. So, don't worry Exactly....which is why I questioned why you cared so much about seeing online pics. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancook Posted October 27, 2016 Share #609 Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) Exactly....which is why I questioned why you cared so much about seeing online pics. Jeff Feed the beast! (metaphorically) Edited October 27, 2016 by dancook 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenia Posted October 27, 2016 Share #610 Posted October 27, 2016 Exactly....which is why I questioned why you cared so much about seeing online pics. Jeff Because I am curious, as anybody else. Why else are we on this thread? But I think, you have been repeating yourself. Thanks anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski542002 Posted October 27, 2016 Share #611 Posted October 27, 2016 So, just to confuse everyone (especially me) a bit more. If I'm interested in or need the benefits of MF over 35mm FFrame digital, and the X1D sensor is smaller than 645, could it be beneficial to wait until someone releases a 645 sensor body in the price range of the X1D? I'd think it's only a matter of time. I've heard it said many times, and I subscribe to the thought that if you wait for the latest/greatest tech, you'll never buy anything. But a versatile X1D kit for a working pro would approach $20,000 +. Is that level of quality adequate given the cost? But then, is the quality of an SL image shot using a boatload of M lenses adequate, given the cost? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 27, 2016 Share #612 Posted October 27, 2016 For online pics, an iPhone is probably adequate. Anyway, LuLa just posted Part 3 of their video interviews with Hasselblad execs; this one is a hands-on X1D review with its Product Manager. The shutter sound is a much louder 'clankety clank' than I recall at the June demo I attended.....will be interesting to revisit in person. It's also clear that they're pushing hard to get a bunch of things together for release (video was made 6 days ago); seems the increase in demand is not the only reason for the delay, although I'm sure that's another important factor. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenia Posted October 27, 2016 Share #613 Posted October 27, 2016 So, just to confuse everyone (especially me) a bit more. If I'm interested in or need the benefits of MF over 35mm FFrame digital, and the X1D sensor is smaller than 645, could it be beneficial to wait until someone releases a 645 sensor body in the price range of the X1D? I'd think it's only a matter of time. I've heard it said many times, and I subscribe to the thought that if you wait for the latest/greatest tech, you'll never buy anything. But a versatile X1D kit for a working pro would approach $20,000 +. Is that level of quality adequate given the cost? But then, is the quality of an SL image shot using a boatload of M lenses adequate, given the cost? It would depend on how much time you have to wait and how your budget looks like. It is still a big step to 645 and a lot of more money. The H6D100 is bigger, heavier and in the region of 35000€ without lenses. The Phase One is about 46000€. To put a bigger sensor in such a small package like the X1D is physically not possible, I think. Best, Xenia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 27, 2016 Share #614 Posted October 27, 2016 Hi: I think our replies are getting confused in the semantics. The format has nothing to do with it. If you can find a manual-everything camera with a depth-of-field preview lever/button. Stop the lens down to F8, or F11, and depress the preview button. I'd challenge anyone to "accurately" determine precise depth-of-field when looking thru a viewfinder (evf or optical) when stopped-down. This will be my last reply at-least on this component of the thread. I'm going off-topic. The format should have something to do with this matter for the simple reason that it determines DoF in my humble opinion. EVF don't darken like film SLRs in real aperture mode and DoF is not the same on FF & MF cameras. In focus magnification mode, i can focus 50mm and longer focal length lenses at f/5.6 or even f/8 on FF and APS cameras. Should be even easier on MF cameras due to the shallower DoF but i have no experience there admittedly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski542002 Posted October 27, 2016 Share #615 Posted October 27, 2016 The format should have something to do with this matter for the simple reason that it determines DoF in my humble opinion. EVF don't darken like film SLRs in real aperture mode and DoF is not the same on FF & MF cameras. In focus magnification mode, i can focus 50mm and longer focal length lenses at f/5.6 or even f/8 on FF and APS cameras. Should be even easier on MF cameras due to the shallower DoF but i have no experience there admittedly. Hi, so I lied when I said I'd not be replying to this issue. What is "real aperture mode"? I'm guessing it will display you your depth of field at the shooting aperture and gain-up the EVF so it's bright enough to see your image? I've had my SL for 6 months and have not run across this feature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 27, 2016 Share #616 Posted October 27, 2016 To put a bigger sensor in such a small package like the X1D is physically not possible, I think. LuLa asked the CEO (interview Part II) about the possibility of putting the100MP sensor into the X1D, but said it would not fit into the X1D package and that the lenses would need retooling as well, so this is not in the short term plans. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 27, 2016 Share #617 Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) Hi, so I lied when I said I'd not be replying to this issue. What is "real aperture mode"? I'm guessing it will display you your depth of field at the shooting aperture and gain-up the EVF so it's bright enough to see your image? I've had my SL for 6 months and have not run across this feature. I meant stop down focusing, sorry for my poor English. Most of my EVF pics are focussed like that. DoF is wide but image magnification helps a lot. Edited October 27, 2016 by lct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted October 27, 2016 Share #618 Posted October 27, 2016 Hi Jeff: I respectfully disagree. Live view and focus magnification won't show you an accurate range of focus at the shooting aperture. If anything, the screen would be so dark (at F8 or deeper), it'd be virtually impossible to accurately preview; if the X1D even has a depth-of-field preview button. Tethering is an option to be able to preview the depth of focus needed on a larger laptop screen, but it's still much faster and more accurate to use scales. IMO, using live view and focus magnification is much more of a guess than the scales on a lens. The screen wouldn't go dark using live view. That's one of the advantages of a live view system over an optical finder. I agree the screen is a bit small to guess DOF though. But then again DOF is only apparent and would also be dependant of the size of the viewing medium. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 27, 2016 Share #619 Posted October 27, 2016 Hello. Happy Fall to everyone! Am seriously considering the X1D to shoot along side my SL (using M & R lenses). This sounds so simplistic, but the biggest concern I have about this system, and many current systems/ lenses, is the lack of not only an aperture ring on the lenses, but accurate depth-of-field scales that are part of having a ring on the lens. When I'm shooting product or architecture, I can accurately compute how much aperture I need for a given situation by using the scales. Can't do that if there are no scales. For these 2 scenarios, I'd shoot at F8 (the sweet-spot for most lenses) all day if I could. When on a tripod, I use the scales on the M lenses for every scenario. If I'm going to spend $20,000+ on a new system and a range of optics, I'd use it for lots of scenarios, not just fashion or run-and-gun where accurate depth-of-field is less of a concern. Chimp...............its digital Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 27, 2016 Share #620 Posted October 27, 2016 But on a tripod you have LV and focus magnification to see what the camera really sees, with no need to calculate or guess. Jeff +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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