edwardkaraa Posted July 24, 2016 Share #61 Posted July 24, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well I don't know what I'm getting in mine, but I'm getting large amounts of something that I can't blow off, or brush off, and needs wet cleaning . Fairly regularly. Most of it looks like dust rather than oil, but I am getting the odd oil spot / smear too. I've only had the 262 for one month exactly, and I can confirm I have zero dust on the sensor. Any dust that cannot be removed by a blower is of the wet kind, so if it's not shutter oil, it could be grease/gunk from the rangefinder mechanism or lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ralphh Posted July 24, 2016 Share #62 Posted July 24, 2016 That is not true- plenty of dry dust eltrostaticly adheres to the sensor and it not removeable with a blower. Wet debris is ofen a bit less pure black in a test shot and smears when brushed. It's hard to imagine that much rangefinder grease is flying around during the exposure.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted July 24, 2016 Share #63 Posted July 24, 2016 I must be very lucky then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted July 24, 2016 Share #64 Posted July 24, 2016 Perhaps pollen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leica5 Posted July 28, 2016 Share #65 Posted July 28, 2016 is next M going to be Autofocus with interchangeable lenses;I guess with success of leica q sales it could be a possibility Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 28, 2016 Share #66 Posted July 28, 2016 is next M going to be Autofocus with interchangeable lenses;I guess with success of leica q sales it could be a possibility Thighslapper and I have a wager on this. I'm sure it won't be. M is purely manual focus rangefinder. Autofocus is what SL is about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 28, 2016 Share #67 Posted July 28, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Perhaps pollen? Almost certainly; I will always see pollen under a microscope. Another regularly seen "sticky dust" is flakes of skin and pieces of eyelash, probably from leaning over the sensor when inspecting it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 28, 2016 Share #68 Posted July 28, 2016 is next M going to be Autofocus with interchangeable lenses;I guess with success of leica q sales it could be a possibility No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leica5 Posted July 28, 2016 Share #69 Posted July 28, 2016 No. So Leica will be bringing out a camera of diminishing returns(profits). After hoarding a Leica M9,SL;,Q is the camera most used on trips Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 28, 2016 Share #70 Posted July 28, 2016 All Leica cameras except the M are for those who prefer AF; the M is for those who do not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted July 28, 2016 Share #71 Posted July 28, 2016 All Leica cameras except the M are for those who prefer AF; the M is for those who do not. Exactly... I could (maybe) consider to have an AF camera (never used one) ... but a Leica M with AF is contracdictory by definition: making som new focus assistancy system is another matter... given that such is the historical rangefinder, after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted July 28, 2016 Share #72 Posted July 28, 2016 All Leica cameras except the M are for those who prefer AF; the M is for those who do not. Or at least accept it, given the size and quality of the glass involved. Could an M support the current set of lenses and a new set of AF lenses as well? I suppose its possible, but I would have to agree, any requirement for AF is fulfilled elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 28, 2016 Share #73 Posted July 28, 2016 Could an M support the current set of lenses and a new set of AF lenses as well? I rather doubt AF lenses would support the required mechanical coupling. And designing AF lenses to use the M mount doesn’t make sense. Leicas has a mount designed for exactly that, namely the L mount. If you want Leica lenses supporting AF you should get an SL or T to gain access to those lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leica5 Posted July 28, 2016 Share #74 Posted July 28, 2016 I rather doubt AF lenses would support the required mechanical coupling. And designing AF lenses to use the M mount doesn’t make sense. Leicas has a mount designed for exactly that, namely the L mount. If you want Leica lenses supporting AF you should get an SL or T to gain access to those lenses. So I gather, it is not possible to design a leica camera having the dimension of M body with interchangeable lenses based on leica Q techology(AF) in 2016 and onwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted July 28, 2016 Share #75 Posted July 28, 2016 I must admit, I would quite like a Q with an L mount and a small and sensibly priced 28-90 zoom. I thought there was a fast (1.4) 50mm for the SL coming soon... Together they would make a nice little AF system and much smaller and hopefully cheaper than an SL. It might even encourage some users to add an SL body later. Or for SL users to add a compact camera to their system for travel. But who knows.... The Q is a great little camera and you can always crop to 50 or even 90 and still get a damn good result. (I'm still thinking that had the Q been available when I bought my M-P, I may well have simply got one and be done with all this...!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted July 28, 2016 Share #76 Posted July 28, 2016 Some people prefer AF. Some prefer MF. There are loads of AF cameras. There are few MF cameras. I prefer MF. That's the reason why I paid shed loads of money for a Leica M. It is small, light, unobtrusive (the M-P 240 has no red dot), and produces the most amazing pictures because it uses top quality lenses. Do I want AF? No, most certainly not. For quick snaps I can use my smartphone. For photographs I use my M-P 240. Snaps are for the record. Photographs are artistic interpretations of what is around. They require working out the shot, and then developing to gain the best result. There is a huge difference between a shot with focus aimed at a part of the picture compared to the AF version which has focus aimed at the most prominent part. A few days ago I went to Mottisfont, the other side of Winchester. I wanted to photograph the font, a spring that feeds into the river Test. I had the choice; take the photo with the font in focus, or take it with the foreground in focus. I chose the foreground. AF would have selected the font. The result is far more artistic via MF. Photo can be viewed here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/133538622@N08/28048914680/in/dateposted/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted July 28, 2016 Share #77 Posted July 28, 2016 Some people prefer AF. Some prefer MF. ... And some prefer both, depending on the occasion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted July 28, 2016 Share #78 Posted July 28, 2016 And some prefer both, depending on the occasion. True, however it is hard to set an AF camera to take exactly what you want it to capture. Most AF cameras are either 'point and shoot' or they are huge CaNikon lumps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted July 29, 2016 Share #79 Posted July 29, 2016 I'm surprised at the amount and variety of "suggestions" on how to change the M into something it is not. Is nobody happy with him M as it is? Why did you buy it in the first place? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted July 29, 2016 Share #80 Posted July 29, 2016 With regard to the M camera body, I say leave out the autofocus, image stabilization and auto sensor cleaning. Keep it traditional, including the body's dimensions. Add this, add that and before long the M will start to resemble the Mamiya 7 II. No, thanks... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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