Guest satrycon Posted June 17, 2016 Share #161 Posted June 17, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) probably this ? http://petapixel.com/2016/02/12/russian-zenit-camera-coming-back-battle-leica-luxury/ Saw that on Leica Rumours. Why would Leica develop such a camera? Technically, what would a, say, 36MP CCD M mount offer? Presumably, it would have the new rangefinder from the M(240), new shutter, better processor, larger buffer, better LCD ... what would the new form factor look like? No video, no EVF and no live view, so it's aimed at that group that prefers the look of the CCD sensor (and don't like video or live view), so that sounds like a traditionalist. Would a traditionalist (wanting a thinner camera like an M7 and possibly a manual shutter cocking lever like a film advance) want a new form factor? Sounds brave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sumolux Posted June 17, 2016 Share #162 Posted June 17, 2016 Probably been said already, but: make a Q as a rangefinder M with changeable lenses. Don't need more than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted June 17, 2016 Share #163 Posted June 17, 2016 Especially as a 36 MP CCD would be a bit of a challenge to build, mainly in the noise department.Perhaps but if memory serves there already are existing small format mf CCDs in the 60s, so maybe. That said, it does seems quite odd to pack pixels on a sensor that's inherently lower dr. I could see them doing a 24mp or there abouts perhaps. Note that the rumor mentioned this could be a new voigtlander entry. At this point, this all seems pretty fanciful to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 17, 2016 Share #164 Posted June 17, 2016 Just the CCD myth pushed to the absurd imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Warwick Posted June 17, 2016 Share #165 Posted June 17, 2016 Just the CCD myth pushed to the absurd imho. Assuming CCD technology hasn't evolved since the M9. Could more IQ, including DR etc, be extracted from CCDs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 17, 2016 Share #166 Posted June 17, 2016 One can assume anything i guess but as far as myths are concerned i would vastly prefer a full frame Foveon w/o noise at 12800 isos... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 17, 2016 Share #167 Posted June 17, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Assuming CCD technology hasn't evolved since the M9. Could more IQ, including DR etc, be extracted from CCDs?I think that technology has rather reached a plateau some time ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted June 17, 2016 Share #168 Posted June 17, 2016 OTOH, recent releases have created a sense of that there is a desire to play at the edges, Q/SL on on hand, 262/M-D on the other, so perhaps a return to CCD isn't entirely out of the question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 17, 2016 Share #169 Posted June 17, 2016 http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/261704-50mp-ccd/ Who knows? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted June 17, 2016 Share #170 Posted June 17, 2016 Hmmm... seems like all this hubbub is likely about a new mirroless 'blad. Interesting. http://www.dpreview.com/news/5879385906/hasselblad-to-announce-game-changer-next-week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 18, 2016 Share #171 Posted June 18, 2016 That 50 MP CCD has a dynamic range of 69 Db. If I calculate correctly that is 12 EV values, which is less than the top CMOS sensors of today. It does not bode well for high-ISO performance, unless pixel-binning is used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 18, 2016 Share #172 Posted June 18, 2016 Hmmm... seems like all this hubbub is likely about a new mirroless 'blad. Interesting. http://www.dpreview.com/news/5879385906/hasselblad-to-announce-game-changer-next-week Interesting. An affordable repackaging of an existing H series sensor, using H mount lenses? That could be a killer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted June 18, 2016 Share #173 Posted June 18, 2016 Maybe the digital X-Pan? Maybe not ;-) Now this is an announcement I'm looking forward to... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 18, 2016 Share #174 Posted June 18, 2016 Hmmm... seems like all this hubbub is likely about a new mirroless 'blad. Interesting. http://www.dpreview.com/news/5879385906/hasselblad-to-announce-game-changer-next-week Well, that made me visit DPreview since a long time. It will be a while before I attempt to make a "joke" post on this forum again... Anyway, let's add my wholly uninformed and probably wildly off the mark prediction: That Hasselblad will be a 50 MP SL competitor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasAM Posted June 18, 2016 Share #175 Posted June 18, 2016 Well, that made me visit DPreview since a long time. It will be a while before I attempt to make a "joke" post on this forum again... Anyway, let's add my wholly uninformed and probably wildly off the mark prediction: That Hasselblad will be a 50 MP SL competitor. Jaap, it will not be wide of the mark, CEO Perry Oosting has stated many times, that he is going after the prosumer Leica market. So a Mirrorless MF more portable camera is coming. And as sources stated, starting with a 50 MB sensor and all the old V- and current HC-lenses can be used on it with an adapter, like the concept of the SL. But who knows maybe in a square format (sensor and camera?) as this is the brand identity of Hasselblad. I guess there will be a new lens mount and new "smaller" lenses, fitting the new flange distance and thus solving the crop factor of the MF-sensor size. So real UWA-lenses are becoming possible in the digital MF-age... Could be a nice replacement of my trusted 903SWC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 18, 2016 Share #176 Posted June 18, 2016 Well, they probably won't be competing on price Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted June 18, 2016 Share #177 Posted June 18, 2016 Well, they may well compete on price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasAM Posted June 18, 2016 Share #178 Posted June 18, 2016 Well, they probably won't be competing on price That remains to be seen indeed, but Hasselblad's latest offerings are already very competitive prized, when you compare them with P1. And that they can also be competing with the Leica prize range wouldn't surprise me at all. Say something between the S and SL range and lens prizes comparable with the SL? Their latest 50 MB CMOS sensor back (that is almost a camera with the electronics but without the mount) with a 44x33 mm. sensor costs 10k Euro's. Remember it is Medium Format, but probably with a, more or less, S-sized sensor we are talking about...... If all true Leica has to up their game with the new (mirrorless) S-generation (soon), prize wise and in innovation.With this I mean a SL body, S-mount and S-sensor, 50 MB..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante Posted June 18, 2016 Share #179 Posted June 18, 2016 Won't be more than 24mp. That's about the limit of RF accuracy, and even at 24, the deficiencies of pre-1990s lenses are pretty obvious. Higher sensitivity and DR seem far more likely. Not sure that we're going to see any radical departures, but it would be nice to see in an incremental update: - Better metering. If you use a Mono 246, you are undoubtedly familiar with its overreaction to backlighting. - Better EVF and/or the ability to use EVF and flash at the same time. - Eliminating the crashiness (requiring battery-out recovery) in continuous mode. - Eliminating the bottom-plate that makes recovering from crashiness even worse. Dante Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted June 18, 2016 Share #180 Posted June 18, 2016 Lots of comments in Ming's blog. https://blog.mingthein.com/2016/06/18/hasselblad-announcement-22-june-livestream/#comments Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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