bigben Posted May 9, 2016 Share #1 Posted May 9, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi all, Ive been using the MP240 with the 35/1.4 for about a year now. I got it for my bday, and a year on its another excuse to get something new . I dont have any other lens for the M (because mostly I love the 35 length), and am itching to get something new. My question is whether to get a Leica Q, OR, using similar budget, I can get a f2 50mm summicron PLUS a sony rx1r m2. The latter combo is abit more pricey but not by alot. I have played around with the Q and although I love it it seems similar to the M - my gut says I will get similar "leica" pics when using the Q - aside from the focal length, vs having something like the sony rx1r2 - the size difference coming from the M is another factor. I like the idea of pick up and go of the sony AND having the option of using the M depending on the occasion. I must admit I havent really used the sony. Ive looked at comments from the other threads on the Q vs rx1r2 (plus the numerous comparisons online), and understand the basic difference. Just wondering what your thoughts are - particularly those that have the M to start with. thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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leica1215 Posted May 9, 2016 Share #2 Posted May 9, 2016 You sounded like just want it to spend some money, if it is so then buy any combo will do, I will suggest you get another lens from the m line instead, like 50 APO, or 90APO try different type Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigben Posted May 9, 2016 Author Share #3 Posted May 9, 2016 Yes...sometimes its about value as well. And will I really get the most out of the purchase. Primarily Im finidng sometimes I dont take the M out as its "heavy". So ease of use is important. Hence 50mm summicron f2 (non apo) for its weight - or lack of. Testing the rx1r2 out at the moment. Its very technical. Seems alot moire if u switch off the pass filter - or maybe its the environment Im shooting in. Completely different to the M, and seems fun to use once I sort out the menu. Its tiny to boot. The 50apo is gorgeous , I have tried it, but for the way I take and pp photos I probably would not get the full use out of it compared to the other more affordable 50s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted May 9, 2016 Share #4 Posted May 9, 2016 I'd suggest buying a Q. After a great deal of hesitation I did, to supplement an M, and it's an addictive acquisition. I already had a 28 M lens so the fov was no problem – and if you like 35 I suspect you would also like the wider lens. The image quality is astonishingly clear and detailed. And of course even cropped as 35mm the file size is still around that of an M9/ME. The weight makes it very appealing versus the larger M range. Last week I bought the lightweight 50mm Summarit and image quality is extraordinary: hard to distinguish from my Summilux ASPH at sensible apertures; so that's a suggestion for jumping up a notch from 35 fov. The 90 macro is lovely to use and that's light in weight. One could not advise the 90 APO Summicron in that respect! PS the Sony would be 'more of the same' (35m) for you and the menu system is generally agreed as horrible. (Plus battery issues.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 9, 2016 Share #5 Posted May 9, 2016 I don't think a Q will add much to your present system, nor to your photographic experience, as you are using the 240 as a single lens/body already. The only thing you will be buying is a daily decision which camera to wear. It is more logical to take advantage of the flexibility of your M240 and add either a 75 mm lens to the 35, making it a powerful universal system, or start exploring the world of wideangle by adding one of the stars in Leica's lens stable: the Super-Elmar 18. I do not see the rationale behind purchasing the Sony. It is a good camera for pixelcount chasers and some (semi) professional applications, but IMO not very nice for general use. A Sony 7S would be more interesting for its high-ISO performance and smooth rendering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlindstrom Posted May 9, 2016 Share #6 Posted May 9, 2016 Q + 75 summarit? The Q when you want smaller package + AF. And 75 to complete your M kit. Best of both worlds then? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 9, 2016 Share #7 Posted May 9, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) What function would the Q have over the M240+Summilux 35? Virtually none. You would just be carrying one superfluous camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigben Posted May 9, 2016 Author Share #8 Posted May 9, 2016 agreed, Im looking for something different. 28mm and 35mm to me is negligible when the photos look similar. This is not knocking the Q... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted May 9, 2016 Share #9 Posted May 9, 2016 Sounds like a GAS attack. If you don't have an obvious need (for a Q or Sony) then don't buy them! Save your money until you find that you need, need not want, a new lens or camera. Sure it's nice just to buy stuff sometimes but if you just need retail therapy then buy a couple of effect filters to play around with, or a couple of books for inspiration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted May 9, 2016 Share #10 Posted May 9, 2016 What function would the Q have over the M240+Summilux 35? Virtually none. You would just be carrying one superfluous camera. I think a Q with an M+50 would be perfect, and then when only wanting to carry one body, pop the 35 back on the M. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mute-on Posted May 9, 2016 Share #11 Posted May 9, 2016 Yes...sometimes its about value as well. And will I really get the most out of the purchase. Primarily Im finidng sometimes I dont take the M out as its "heavy". So ease of use is important. Hence 50mm summicron f2 (non apo) for its weight - or lack of. Testing the rx1r2 out at the moment. Its very technical. Seems alot moire if u switch off the pass filter - or maybe its the environment Im shooting in. Completely different to the M, and seems fun to use once I sort out the menu. Its tiny to boot. The 50apo is gorgeous , I have tried it, but for the way I take and pp photos I probably would not get the full use out of it compared to the other more affordable 50s. If the weight of the 35 Summilux is causing you to go camera less, I doubt you will find a 50 Summicron presents a significantly smaller package. i do agree that the weight and balance of a bigger 35 does seem to tip an M into unwieldy compared to, say, a 35 Summicron, or even a 35 Summaron (my reference for small and perfectly balanced). If you are curious about the Q with its 28, you might consider a current 28 Elmarit ASPH for your M. I suspect you will find the diminutive size and light weight makes it easy to carry your M with you everywhere. It will certainly feel much lighter and more balanced in hand than the 35 Summilux. Stick with one camera. If you get a Q, the M will sit unused. That would be a tragedy .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 9, 2016 Share #12 Posted May 9, 2016 I think a Q with an M+50 would be perfect, and then when only wanting to carry one body, pop the 35 back on the M. Pete So why not just an 28 mm lens? Personally I find the step from 35 to 28 too small anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigben Posted May 9, 2016 Author Share #13 Posted May 9, 2016 its not really the focal length, more the experience of lighter alternative to the M. I say alternative as I have no plans to get rid of the M, on the contrary, to add more lenses. when I know I can / need to take photos I will carry always carry the M, its really those other times when Im not sure and it will be nice just to grab a lighter alternative and throw it in my backpack. The M isnt "heavy" by itself, but you can feel it in your bag along with the other stuff already in there. getting the Q when I have an M/35 is kinda like having 2 very similar cars in the family..... of course you can look at this in two ways Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlindstrom Posted May 9, 2016 Share #14 Posted May 9, 2016 What function would the Q have over the M240+Summilux 35? Virtually none. You would just be carrying one superfluous camera. Fast AF, slightly smaller & lighter, better high iso, image stabilizer, macro.. So quite a few. But at least for me Q is something easy to grab when making photos is not first priority. Something you can hand over to a friend if you want to be in the picture yourself. And at least for me works better in low light than M. So quite often for evening/night activities I grab the Q. Two different cameras for different use cases.. Also a bit different user experience. I got Q + M262 with 35/75. //Juha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 9, 2016 Share #15 Posted May 9, 2016 Actually my grab to go camera is the X2, or even X1, depending on my mood. But yes, it could be that way. I see lot of overlap to an M240+ 28 though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 9, 2016 Share #16 Posted May 9, 2016 Another CAMERA or another LENS ? That's the question you must clear : personally, I don't like the idea to have two systems.... I don't dedicate to photography enough time to master two... and have decided that M is my choice... even if time to time I had occasions in which would have appreciated AF... but can live without and that's it. Summicron 50 is always a good choice, but if you are a 35er it can arise annoying uncertainesses (to me, it happens, and is disturbing because distracted you from the essence.... one can take good pics with 35 and 50, of course) So , if I were you (me too has to face GAS Attacks... and lens is the remedy) , would think seriously to 24 (Elmar) or 75 (Summarit or Summicron) , or... both... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted May 9, 2016 Share #17 Posted May 9, 2016 I think when the Q arrived, Mr Overgaard wrote about using the M for a more 'considered' approach to taking a camera out to create photographs. Hence for once I cannot agree with Jaap about one or other camera (Q/M) being superfluous as their usage experiences are so different, and if you can't face taking the weighty M240 out for the day then the Q nicely takes over (not to mention its features cited above by JLindstrom). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faxao Posted May 9, 2016 Share #18 Posted May 9, 2016 Currently facing similar GAS attack as the shooting experience on the Q must be intriguing indeed. I must admit though that adding a nice wide lens (I have recently bought a nearly mint second hand Zeiss Biogon 25mm f/2.8 and I am very happy with it) may quench your thirst and give you some relief from the GAS......at least a temporary one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlindstrom Posted May 10, 2016 Share #19 Posted May 10, 2016 Currently facing similar GAS attack as the shooting experience on the Q must be intriguing indeed. I must admit though that adding a nice wide lens may quench your thirst and give you some relief from the GAS.. I guess the answer is: It depends! If GAS is out of equation and the need is just to add wide, then yes a new lens will sort that out. If it's GAS for the Q, then nothing else will fix it. If there's a need/want for different kind of camera smaller in size and with AF, then the Q will complement the M nicely. Though it's AF, outside that the use is quite similar to M. Ultimately the old truth prevails: only the OP can make the right choice for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobers Posted May 10, 2016 Share #20 Posted May 10, 2016 Just to chuck something else into the equation. Alongside my M+28+50+90 I have a Sony RX100 mk IV. This is a tiny camera with a sensible 24-70 zoom which is nice and bright, and a 1" sensor. It also shoots 4K video and ultra solo-mo too. Being so small it can go anywhere, and anyone can use it. The Q and the RX1 both have sticky out lenses making them less compact and harder to tuck into a pocket. The RX100 goes flat and fits a jeans pocket. A 50mm is quite close to your current 35mm so how about going for a 75mm and then get the RX100 as well. With the money "saved" you could head off somewhere nice to take pictures! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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