jcraf Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share #661 Posted May 10, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Heya John, Winnie is straight, but why is Big Ben tilted? '-) Actually, Winnie should be tilted as he was always at the brandy. Seriously though, I saw that before posting but couldn't explain it optically. Some bright spark probably can. Any amount of chimping would not have altered things from that perspective (no pun intended), but I think the composition could be better. Oh for an M240.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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i-Leica Posted May 10, 2016 Share #662 Posted May 10, 2016 I think Leica should have done the first Monochrom like this MD - monochrom and no display - now it adds nothing and its just a toy..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted May 10, 2016 Share #663 Posted May 10, 2016 Seriously though, I saw that before posting but couldn't explain it optically. Some bright spark probably can. I think it happens when the film plane isn't properly true (perpendicular to the ground) or something like that. I encounter it not infrequently using my 35 and, of course, with an RF you can't see the effect in the viewfinder. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share #664 Posted May 10, 2016 I think it happens when the film plane isn't properly true (perpendicular to the ground) or something like that. I encounter it not infrequently using my 35 and, of course, with an RF you can't see the effect in the viewfinder. Ian, you win the 'Bright Spark' award! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted May 10, 2016 Share #665 Posted May 10, 2016 Ian, you win the 'Bright Spark' award! I'm probably talking out of my hat (to put it politely). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECohen Posted May 10, 2016 Share #666 Posted May 10, 2016 I dont want to get back into this discussion but I have to ask. Many of you MD M60 lovers, expressed early on in this thread, that the love for this cameras is only the simple way of working.... and has nothing to do with it feeling like a film camera. Is this still true, that the love has nothing to do with it feeling like a film camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 10, 2016 Share #667 Posted May 10, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) But it can't be confused with film camera - it produces no film and has different dimensions from a film M... It is just a very nice-looking digital camera that promotes a digital workflow that some prefer. If I were less stingy I would buy it for its looks alone. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted May 10, 2016 Share #668 Posted May 10, 2016 Is this still true, that the love has nothing to do with it feeling like a film camera? That would take some explaining as it does not feel like a film camera at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share #669 Posted May 10, 2016 I'm probably talking out of my hat (to put it politely). Ah, but it's such an erudite, wise and knowledgable....hat! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted May 10, 2016 Share #670 Posted May 10, 2016 I dont want to get back into this discussion but I have to ask. Many of you MD M60 lovers, expressed early on in this thread, that the love for this cameras is only the simple way of working.... and has nothing to do with it feeling like a film camera. Is this still true, that the love has nothing to do with it feeling like a film camera? I personally don't care whether it feels like a film camera or not, or brings back some "film camera nostalgia." (You know that the basis of the word "nostalgia" is from the Greek for "homecoming pain", the pain of memories... I have no need for more pain, thank you.) To me, it will feel like a good camera ... Much like the SL does. The M-P almost does but I'm always pressing buttons or LCD when I pick it up which is annoying. I like the M-D because there is more space for my fingers without the buttons and LCD. It is for use when the additional functionality supplied by the M-P is not needed, that's all, and provides more comfort and security when handling the camera. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 10, 2016 Share #671 Posted May 10, 2016 I wish you happiness of a nice camera - but I really don't get the button pushing part - it has never happened to me, and I am known to have my clumsy moments. Having said that, I do pull it out of its bag by its strap, always have done that, Maybe that is the key habit here. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted May 10, 2016 Share #672 Posted May 10, 2016 I don't see the point of the M-D. Digital to me means the ability to review on the spot. Having made many serious errors in exposure and composition in my time, I welcome the opportunity for correction. However, I do understand that some people like the simplicity and from an aesthetic standpoint (I had a chance to handle one last week), it is a very handsome camera. Maybe I would feel different about use were I to have one for a week or two, but for now I am happy with M240 and SL, which are pretty minimalistic for a camera nowadays. In the end the differences are the degree of minimalism, as opposed to some other manufacturers where the objective sometimes appears to be to add many features and buttons and controls, most of which contribute little or nothing to image quality. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted May 10, 2016 Share #673 Posted May 10, 2016 That would take some explaining as it does not feel like a film camera at all. What does a film camera feel like ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted May 10, 2016 Share #674 Posted May 10, 2016 What does a film camera feel like ? Someone who thinks an M-D feels like one should be able to answer that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted May 10, 2016 Share #675 Posted May 10, 2016 What does a film camera feel like ? … lighter, thinner, less tall, more silent and with the addition of the rhythm of having to advance the frame Also very nice is that my film M bodies don't have the thumb bump and wheel, making handling of the late digital M feel quite unnatural and bulky in comparison (which the M-D unfortunately shares). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 10, 2016 Share #676 Posted May 10, 2016 None of which the M-D seems to offer... The M6TTL is as tall, BTW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted May 10, 2016 Share #677 Posted May 10, 2016 … lighter, thinner, less tall, more silent and with the addition of the rhythm of having to advance the frame .............. Well that cleared that up... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/259865-the-leica-m-d-thread-merged/?do=findComment&comment=3042465'>More sharing options...
ramarren Posted May 10, 2016 Share #678 Posted May 10, 2016 I wish you happiness of a nice camera - but I really don't get the button pushing part - it has never happened to me, and I am known to have my clumsy moments. Having said that, I do pull it out of its bag by its strap, always have done that, Maybe that is the key habit here. I'm forced to almost always pick up the M-P by its strap because there's so little surface area to grasp it by otherwise. I don't generally like picking cameras up by their straps... they get banged into stuff that way. With the SL or the M4-2, I grasp the camera by its body when I pull it out of my bag. Both provide a nice, large surface that one can grip them by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted May 10, 2016 Share #679 Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) I had just limited experience with the M60. However, for me I think the MD, as well as the M60, share one dimension with film cameras - there is no immediate way to check results. It does not matter if you do, or do not chimp, what counts is that you can. That ability, even if it is only hypothetical for some, influences, I suspect, many in how they shoot. In that sense, I would say the MD feels like film. Another way it appears similar to film is less clutter on the body, less buttons to press accidentally, less stuff to configure. Minimalism can be very liberating. Personally, I like the idea of a digital camera that handles and feels more like a film one. Not in the sense of physical dimensions, or actual tactile experience. But because it is less cluttered, and because it forces me 'to check' images only in my head. Edited May 10, 2016 by Adam 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted May 10, 2016 Share #680 Posted May 10, 2016 Someone who thinks an M-D feels like one should be able to answer that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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