Steve P Posted April 28, 2016 Share #281 Posted April 28, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's the first chimp deterrent since the demise of film! News of film's demise has been greatly exaggerated! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 Hi Steve P, Take a look here The Leica M-D thread - merged.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
ECohen Posted April 28, 2016 Share #282 Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) News of film's demise has been greatly exaggerated! Tell that to Eastman Kodak Co....Ilford, Agfa,etc. ......but you are correct, a few still shoot film and most of them are on the forum Edited April 28, 2016 by ECohen 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freitz Posted April 28, 2016 Share #283 Posted April 28, 2016 Wow after a few days of constant email spam from this thread I decided to check it out... Disappointed is all...a M60 re-Numbered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted April 28, 2016 Share #284 Posted April 28, 2016 I'm reading in the downloads, that the body weight is comparable with the M 240. And the size is almost the same as the M 240 ( thickness of the body is the same, but it is 1,4 mm less wide.) It has brass top and bottom. One thing puzzels me. How can you take a propper white balance if you don't have a display? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted April 28, 2016 Share #285 Posted April 28, 2016 One thing puzzels me. How can you take a propper white balance if you don't have a display? You don't have a white balance when shooting DNGs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgenper Posted April 28, 2016 Share #286 Posted April 28, 2016 Don´t quite get it, after all... I hardly ever "chimp", but once in a while it is a boon to be able to see a histogram, or even the image itself, while still on the spot. And since this newcomer isn´t any thinner (that ISO wheel with its innards is probably as thick as a display), I fail to see any significant plus value. A bit more rugged, perhaps, but a big, rotating wheel should be harder to weatherseal than a display w/o moving parts.... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Posted April 28, 2016 Share #287 Posted April 28, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I do not get it either. But, for some reason, equally unknown to me, I have resolved that this will be the first new Leica camera I purchase. I want it.....BAD. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted April 28, 2016 Share #288 Posted April 28, 2016 You don't have a white balance when shooting DNGs. Some people still prefer to manually set the white-balance in-camera. I mostly always do. It makes PP a lot faster and easier, and the images will have a consistent color temperature and tint. AWB creates unconsistant images, and requires a lot of PP. It's better to get it right in the camera. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 28, 2016 Share #289 Posted April 28, 2016 It is a bit like Porsche, who charge a lot of money to delete the air conditioning and audio on their GT-X models. Good luck to Leica if they can get away with it. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisiberlin Posted April 28, 2016 Share #290 Posted April 28, 2016 I've waited to see this camera release from the moment the M60 was revealed (or to be more accurate, I always assumed there would be a production model of the M60 at some stage) and regardless of how disappointing it is that the pricing is a lot more than I expected it would be, the one question I've had since seeing the M60 is how do you change white balance settings without a menu screen? I suppose I should mention that my current camera is an M9-P and I've never used any of the M10 variations, so I'm not familiar with the way they operate... Is the WB setting somehow displayed in the viewfinder and toggled with the thumbwheel? Thanks Cathal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
honcho Posted April 28, 2016 Share #291 Posted April 28, 2016 Some people still prefer to manually set the white-balance in-camera. I mostly always do. It makes PP a lot faster and easier, and the images will have a consistent color temperature and tint. AWB creates unconsistant images, and requires a lot of PP. It's better to get it right in the camera. This camera isn't intended to aid 'getting it right in camera'. A bit like the M60 but less vulgar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 28, 2016 Share #292 Posted April 28, 2016 Some people still prefer to manually set the white-balance in-camera. I mostly always do. It makes PP a lot faster and easier, and the images will have a consistent color temperature and tint. AWB creates unconsistant images, and requires a lot of PP. It's better to get it right in the camera. You have exactly the same manual presets in the WB pull-down menu in your raw developer. It is irrelevant whether you set them in the camera menu or in your raw software menu. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 28, 2016 Share #293 Posted April 28, 2016 Please do not start multiple threads on the subject. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisiberlin Posted April 28, 2016 Share #294 Posted April 28, 2016 I see - I had no idea JPG output has been removed - I assume this happened with all M10 variations. As I said, I use an M9P and change WB in camera on the go to ensure I have quick access to a mostly-nearly-right JPG straight from the camera - any more detailed finetuning work is done later then on the DNG file Thanks for the helpful reply though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giulio Zanni Posted April 28, 2016 Share #295 Posted April 28, 2016 On the Leica web-site they states that "No LCD screen leads to more freedom for creative photography.". What a ridiculous statement and in the video about Portugal they shoot all the time with flashes! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DezFoto Posted April 28, 2016 Share #296 Posted April 28, 2016 You have exactly the same manual presets in the WB pull-down menu in your raw developer. It is irrelevant whether you set them in the camera menu or in your raw software menu. Many photographers set custom white balance, especially in mixed or tricky lighting. AWB cannot always be completely corrected in post. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DezFoto Posted April 28, 2016 Share #297 Posted April 28, 2016 I can understand why someone wouldn't like it but couldn't care less what anyone else thinks of it - I will get one as a personal carry around. I love the process of shooting with film; the extra care involved, the visualisation process involved, the excitement and surprise of looking at the pictures post shoot in the dark room or at the lab. So long as I can switch between daylight and tungsten and change iso, aperture, and shutter, I'm happy. Then why not just shoot film? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 28, 2016 Share #298 Posted April 28, 2016 Basically it can as long as you apply the same parameters to the raw data as the camera does. Just use a grey card for convenience. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted April 28, 2016 Share #299 Posted April 28, 2016 Then why not just shoot film? Is that not obvious to you? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted April 28, 2016 Share #300 Posted April 28, 2016 I seem to recall predicting (to Jono?) that Leica would never make a production model of the M60. Wrong again! As to white balance, I did ask Leica if this could be fixed at 5500 kelvin (somewhere I had a discussion with Jono about this as well). After a relatively short period of use, and adjustment in Lightroom, I found that the fesults with Auto white balance from the camera were hard to improve upon in LightRoom. Sure, there are plenty of other adjustments, but the results in AWB are very good. I assume the sole function of the thumb wheel is exposure compensation. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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