Paulus Posted January 27, 2016 Share #1 Posted January 27, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was wondering about the fact, if a the shuttercount stops and returns to zero if the sensor is replaced by Leica. Is this really the fact, or is this just a figure of speach by the retailers who sell the used camera? I was interested in this camera, and asked the seller, because of the only 250 clicks, if the shutter also was replaced. That was not the fact. still it is advertised with only 250 clicks ( probably after the sensor replacement. ) http://www.marktplaats.nl/a/audio-tv-en-foto/fotografie-camera-s-digitaal/m989966666-leica-m9p-body-250-kliks-occasion-in-hilversum.html?utm_source=systemmail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=CO_Sel_B_ASQ_Mail Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 27, 2016 Posted January 27, 2016 Hi Paulus, Take a look here Leica M9 sensor replacement= shuttercount o clicks?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Tboy Posted January 27, 2016 Share #2 Posted January 27, 2016 No, the shuttercount remains after sensor replacement (I have a camera with a replaced sensor). Now I wonder if they would revert the shuttercount back to 0 after a shutter replacement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 27, 2016 Author Share #3 Posted January 27, 2016 No, the shuttercount remains after sensor replacement (I have a camera with a replaced sensor). Now I wonder if they would revert the shuttercount back to 0 after a shutter replacement?I That's why I asked the reseller, if Leica had replaced the shutter, because of the 250 clicks, but they had not, the salesman informed. I have asked him the actual shuttercount but I did not got an anwser jet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoism Posted January 29, 2016 Share #4 Posted January 29, 2016 Would you have a chance to (or ask the seller if he/she would let you) take a couple of pictures on this M9 with your own SD card? If the seller lets you do that, take a couple of shots in DNG, and run the files through M9Info. Please see here: http://www.soens.de/software/m9info/m9info.html This software will then tell you what the actual shutter count is. If it is really 250, then you have an almost brand new camera as far as shutter usage is concerned, whether it is the original shutter or a replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share #5 Posted January 29, 2016 Would you have a chance to (or ask the seller if he/she would let you) take a couple of pictures on this M9 with your own SD card? If the seller lets you do that, take a couple of shots in DNG, and run the files through M9Info. Please see here: http://www.soens.de/software/m9info/m9info.html This software will then tell you what the actual shutter count is. If it is really 250, then you have an almost brand new camera as far as shutter usage is concerned, whether it is the original shutter or a replacement. To far away. I have sent him the app and asked him to test it on the camera and give me the actual shuttercount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share #6 Posted January 29, 2016 No, the shuttercount remains after sensor replacement (I have a camera with a replaced sensor). Now I wonder if they would revert the shuttercount back to 0 after a shutter replacement? This is becoming very interesting. According to the Leica importer in Holland, when the sensor is replaced, the " shuttercount " will not chage, but what we see in the software is not the " shuttercount" but the amout of sensorreadings. When the sensor is replaced this wil start at 0, but because of testing, the reading will be somewhere around maybe as high as 200. Zero will not be possible thanks to this testing. What I am curious about is, what your " shuttercount " in M9 info actually was after getting the M9 back from sensorreplacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoism Posted January 29, 2016 Share #7 Posted January 29, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) So that software is capturing "sensor" count and not "shutter" count. If that's the case, I wonder if there is any way to capture the real shutter count at all. Interesting indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted January 29, 2016 Share #8 Posted January 29, 2016 No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rus Posted February 2, 2016 Share #9 Posted February 2, 2016 Sorry...just a (perhaps) silly question: When we speak of shutter count do we mean the number decoded by the software or the number shown in the camera's service mode menu? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boska1969 Posted February 3, 2016 Share #10 Posted February 3, 2016 Hi all, I have a similar case, please advise... at my local photo dealer there is a Leica Monochrom for sale, with a new sensor (one year warranty) and only 185 clicks....What puzzled me was the wear of the body (paint brushed off on the top plate and round sides) in comparison with the very low 185 number. Reading this thread it seems that this is the amount of sensor readings done in the test after they replaced the sensor. So, how can I find out how many shutteractuations is really has? I am planning to test the camera with one of my lenses and an SD card inside anyway (to check the rangefinder). Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share #11 Posted February 5, 2016 IMHO I am afraid you can't. It's just like buying a old Leica M6. You really don't know how much it is used. Use your common sense. See the camera, smell it. If it's really worn out, it probably has more shutter actuations than 185. I understand from the Leica importer, that 185 is the count of testing in the factory. What you do know is, that it has been to Leica and factory tested. Then it meets to their standards, which are fairly well. I don't really know if it's really important to know the shuttercount. If the shutter functions it could function for decades without issues. On the other hand, I had an M6 Titan which had a shutterfailiure after 25 shutteractuations. You get a year of warranty from Leica if the sensor is replaced, so in that time you can learn to know the camera fairly well. One thing. When it looks worn out, you will get it cheaper than looking new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Printmaker Posted February 6, 2016 Share #12 Posted February 6, 2016 I am not sure what Leica reset but both my M9 and S2 had their sensors replaced and came back with a very low count (like less than 30). Obviously this number is a file number and not a shutter count as both cameras went in at around the 15K mark. So now I have files with the same number in folders marked before and after repair. It is occasionally confusing when searching for a RAW file by number as that number can exist as a M8 file, or a M9 file before repair, or a M9 file after repair, or a S2... Good thing I rename edited images and file them by subject. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 7, 2016 Share #13 Posted February 7, 2016 Hi all, I have a similar case, please advise... at my local photo dealer there is a Leica Monochrom for sale, with a new sensor (one year warranty) and only 185 clicks....What puzzled me was the wear of the body (paint brushed off on the top plate and round sides) in comparison with the very low 185 number. Reading this thread it seems that this is the amount of sensor readings done in the test after they replaced the sensor. So, how can I find out how many shutteractuations is really has? I am planning to test the camera with one of my lenses and an SD card inside anyway (to check the rangefinder). Thanks! A Monochrom with paint? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted February 10, 2016 Share #14 Posted February 10, 2016 I was wondering about the fact, if a the shuttercount stops and returns to zero if the sensor is replaced by Leica. No. Here is a link to a series of links posted in a different thread by pop. Go to post #5; http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/235450-m-9-shutter-actuations/ Once the program has been extracted if a RAW file is opened with the software the actual shutter-count is stated. I bought a used M9-P a few days ago which had had it's sensor replaced towards the end of December '15 and the shutter-count is plainly 'correct' for it's age. Pip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Printmaker Posted February 11, 2016 Share #15 Posted February 11, 2016 it looks like we might be discussing different subjects. The Leica manual has a section on folder management which discusses resetting picture numbers. Looks like some Leica technicians reset the picture numbers when replacing the sensor and others do not. Or perhaps they sometimes replace the circuit board that controls this function and sometimes not. All I know is that I've been renumbered twice. Ill need to look into the program which determines the actual shutter count... not that it matters to me as both cameras are keepers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Pandorf Posted February 16, 2016 Share #16 Posted February 16, 2016 My M-E recently came back from the New Jersey repair center with the "new" sensor. My picture numbers had been reset but M9Info app still reads over 35,000 for my appropriate number of shudder actuations my camera has made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhulsenbeek Posted February 23, 2016 Share #17 Posted February 23, 2016 My M-E recently came back from the New Jersey repair center with the "new" sensor. My picture numbers had been reset but M9Info app still reads over 35,000 for my appropriate number of shudder actuations my camera has made. That seems correct. My M9, back from Wetzlar with a new sensor last week Friday, shows over 23000 shutter actuations in M9info. The picture count number had been reset. Same experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRIago Posted February 24, 2016 Share #18 Posted February 24, 2016 That seems correct. My M9, back from Wetzlar with a new sensor last week Friday, shows over 23000 shutter actuations in M9info. The picture count number had been reset. Same experience. Mine too. Exact the same of you guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciaren Posted March 5, 2016 Share #19 Posted March 5, 2016 Shutter count should stay unchanged regardless of a new sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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