edwardkaraa Posted January 18, 2016 Share #181 Posted January 18, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) It is important to note that there are many different ways to "optimize for digital". For example, "more telecentric" lenses will improve performance on digital without any side effect on film. More telecentric lenses work better with digital, no doubt, but they still work better without cover glass or with a very thin one. Many R lenses for instance work better on the M240 than on the SL. The best way to fully utilize the lens/sensor potential and achieve best results is to include the cover glass in the optical formula. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cbretteville Posted January 18, 2016 Share #182 Posted January 18, 2016 The best way to fully utilize the lens/sensor potential and achieve best results is to include the cover glass in the optical formula. This is what Fuji does. The X-system has come a very long way in a very short time. My big dissapointment with it was that the M-lenses I had shorter than 50s don't really work, this is due to the thickness of the cover glass. The other one was how poorly manual focus worked on the XPro. But when you put their own glass on the XPro it delivers stunning results. There was no joy in using the system so I bit the bullet and came back. Cheers, Carl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted January 18, 2016 Share #183 Posted January 18, 2016 Can you comment from your experience with both lenses on an SL that explains why you find the SEM "is a big step ahead from other film-era 21mm lenses"? Sorry, I never personally tested the 21/2.8 asph. I have tried a used copy of the 21/2.8 pre-asph on the M240 and was not impressed at all. I own the 21 SEM and apart from being sharp corner to corner, it has great color rendering. I am quite picky, as I also have a Zeiss 21/2.8 in ZE mount, which is amazing. Erwin has some interesting info on the SEM21 and a brief comment on the difference between the SEM and the 21/2.8-asph: http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/lenses/styled-37/ I will test today the SEM21 on M240 against the Loxia 21 on A7R2, to see if we have a new winner. Will let you guys know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a911s Posted January 18, 2016 Share #184 Posted January 18, 2016 My 21 Elmarit ASPH six-bit is wonderful too on my M9-P and M-E. I feel no need to "upgrade" to the SEM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 18, 2016 Author Share #185 Posted January 18, 2016 In the end, we will just have to wait and see what sort of sensor design the new M will have. My guess is that it will go to a more standard thickness like the SL's somewhat "just right" thickness design. Going forward it would be a good compromise with the past. And, maybe we could put the UV color issues behind us. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpwhite Posted January 19, 2016 Share #186 Posted January 19, 2016 The ELMARIT-M 21 mm f/2.8 ASPH. was designed before 1997, more than 9 years before the release of the M8. Yes, that is my point. Yet, it is excellent into the corners on an SL. I mentioned the production series for my particular lens, just in case there was a notion that the original ASPH design might have been changed in some way when the factory six-bit edition was released. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpwhite Posted January 19, 2016 Share #187 Posted January 19, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) More telecentric lenses work better with digital, no doubt, but they still work better without cover glass or with a very thin one. Many R lenses for instance work better on the M240 than on the SL. The best way to fully utilize the lens/sensor potential and achieve best results is to include the cover glass in the optical formula. Interesting... can you share with us which R lenses have you made that comparison and evaluation for? Thx. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted January 19, 2016 Share #188 Posted January 19, 2016 My 21 Elmarit ASPH six-bit is wonderful too on my M9-P and M-E. I feel no need to "upgrade" to the SEM. Well, I don't know the 21 Elmarit ASPH, but the SEM is certainly amazing. Have you ever shot with it ? There's wonderful and wonderfuller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted January 19, 2016 Share #189 Posted January 19, 2016 Update. Here is my SEM 21 vs Loxia 21 quick one-day shootout: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/255792-sem-21-vs-loxia-21-shootout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted January 19, 2016 Share #190 Posted January 19, 2016 Since the three M lenses you speak of are of such slipshod quality and are so frustrating to use, I am willing to be of assistance in freeing you from these abominations. I am willing to offer you as much as $500 USD for the three, and I will cover shipping costs. This way, you will be shed of these infuriating pieces of junk and will be able to make the transition to the Fuji system unfettered by Leica's inferior M lenses. I will of course then be forced to bear the cost of shipping all three lenses to Wetzlar to have them made right; this will be an inconvenience on my part as well as a significant sacrifice financially, but it is a cross I am willing to bear in order to be of service to a fellow photographer. The Ironic part is that you're offering peanuts for the lenses, which reinforces the fact that they are not that good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infrandom Posted January 19, 2016 Share #191 Posted January 19, 2016 New Leica owner, living a new technology challenged part of the world. I picked up a 240M-P at the Bangkok Leica store on my winter vacation. But they didn't have the 35mm summilux 1.4 in stock. I picked up a 50 (summicron) and a 28 (wish I waited on that one now). But knew I still wanted a 35mm. Obviously I'm not the most patient person, anyone have thoughts on sticking with the newest 35 summilux vs this new (11 apature blades sounds nice) f2? I have a friend coming into my country next week and literally have been one click away from sending the summilux to his house. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a911s Posted January 19, 2016 Share #192 Posted January 19, 2016 Well, I don't know the 21 Elmarit ASPH, but the SEM is certainly amazing. Have you ever shot with it ? There's wonderful and wonderfuller Yes, you give up half a stop for slightly better performance. It's a push for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 19, 2016 Share #193 Posted January 19, 2016 New Leica owner, living a new technology challenged part of the world. I picked up a 240M-P at the Bangkok Leica store on my winter vacation. But they didn't have the 35mm summilux 1.4 in stock. I picked up a 50 (summicron) and a 28 (wish I waited on that one now). But knew I still wanted a 35mm. Obviously I'm not the most patient person, anyone have thoughts on sticking with the newest 35 summilux vs this new (11 apature blades sounds nice) f2? I have a friend coming into my country next week and literally have been one click away from sending the summilux to his house. Have a look at the Zeiss offering. That would be the fast 35 I would go for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enboe Posted January 19, 2016 Share #194 Posted January 19, 2016 I just hung up with the Leica Store Los Angeles, and according to the staff there, the three new lenses are new optical designs. Time to start saving up another $9K. Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 19, 2016 Share #195 Posted January 19, 2016 Have a look at the Zeiss offering. That would be the fast 35 I would go for. Some of the ZM 35/2 Biogons are better than others at f2. The first one I had was excellent but sadly I dropped it and it was irretrievably damaged. The second one supplied direct by my insurer, was not quite as good at f2 but about the same from f2,8 upwards. I sold it and bought an excellent, if very heavy 35/1.4 ASPH Chrome Summilux in its place. I also now have a 35 Summicron as well which is an excellent all round performer and very small and light. However if the new one is cheaper than the original, if you can live with the large hood, it would seem a more sensible buy. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Lowe Posted January 20, 2016 Share #196 Posted January 20, 2016 I noticed something: there is no mention of the new lenses including a 3 year Passport warranty in their descriptions on Popflash and B&H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graphlex Posted January 20, 2016 Share #197 Posted January 20, 2016 I suspect that on this point and in the unchanged mtf charts, the marketing material is not yet accurate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 21, 2016 Share #198 Posted January 21, 2016 Some of the ZM 35/2 Biogons are better than others at f2. The first one I had was excellent but sadly I dropped it and it was irretrievably damaged. The second one supplied direct by my insurer, was not quite as good at f2 but about the same from f2,8 upwards. I sold it and bought an excellent, if very heavy 35/1.4 ASPH Chrome Summilux in its place. I also now have a 35 Summicron as well which is an excellent all round performer and very small and light. However if the new one is cheaper than the original, if you can live with the large hood, it would seem a more sensible buy. WILSON Actually I was referring to the Distagon 35/1.4 ZM, a marvellous lens imo. I'm still dithering about getting one. However the C-Biogon 35/2.8 ZM has earned itself a permanent spot in my monochrom bag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 21, 2016 Share #199 Posted January 21, 2016 Actually I was referring to the Distagon 35/1.4 ZM, a marvellous lens imo. I'm still dithering about getting one. However the C-Biogon 35/2.8 ZM has earned itself a permanent spot in my monochrom bag. A number of reviewers commented on the f2 35 Biogon, that stretching it to f2 may have been a step too far. I always wondered why they did this lens as a Biogon, when Zeiss already had an excellent modern design f2 35mm lens in the 35mm Planar G, unless the design rights of this lens were still licensed to Kyocera. The minor issues with the Planar lens were slightly harsh bokeh and a somewhat sharp drop off from the very sharp point of focus. The f2.8 35 Biogon C is probably more in that design of lens' zone of comfort, with advantage of weight and size. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted January 21, 2016 Share #200 Posted January 21, 2016 A number of reviewers commented on the f2 35 Biogon, that stretching it to f2 may have been a step too far. I always wondered why they did this lens as a Biogon, when Zeiss already had an excellent modern design f2 35mm lens in the 35mm Planar G, unless the design rights of this lens were still licensed to Kyocera. The minor issues with the Planar lens were slightly harsh bokeh and a somewhat sharp drop off from the very sharp point of focus. The f2.8 35 Biogon C is probably more in that design of lens' zone of comfort, with advantage of weight and size. Wilson The ZM 35/2 suffers from focus shift and is normally calibrated for f/2.8. This causes front focus at f/2 which leads reviewers to believe it is soft wide open. In fact this is one of the ZM's sharpest lenses, and stopped down even beats the ZM 35/1.4 especially in zone B. When I owned this lens my biggest problem was how to avoid moiré PS. The 35 cron asph clearly beats it at f/2, even when well focused but the Biogon will be miles ahead at other apertures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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