Robinyuill Posted January 7, 2016 Share #1 Posted January 7, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi there. Just a thought but I'm saving up for a 135:3.4 apo but my local dealer has a 180:3.4 apo Telyt R in great condition and at a great price. Would this be a reasonable choice used with an R to M adapter on my M240? Maybe someone has tried this? Regards Robin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted January 7, 2016 Share #2 Posted January 7, 2016 I have those lenses and like them both but i am unable to compare the IQ of different focal lengths sorry. All i can say is the minimum focus distance of the 180 is 2.5m vs 1.5m for the 135 which can be a problem for some applications. The 180 is also significantly bulkier (750g vs 450g for the 135) and needs an R adapter which will add some bulk inevitably. The 180 is also a lens from the seventies so if you don't need the reach of a 180mm lens, i would prefer the 135 personally. YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayek Posted January 7, 2016 Share #3 Posted January 7, 2016 All depends upon how you intend to deploy the long lens The 180 is heavy (for the M), renders with somewhat lower contrast (Mandler design, after all) and is really optimized for infinity and near-infinity subject matter. Some will dispute this but YMMV. It was my experience The glass also imparts a greenish cast on color images and I think the elements had this for its intended use; photo-surveillance by the US Navy, presumably with B&W film so I assume the color was to increase image contrast. I have used the lens but on a DSLR and for that, it was nicely balanced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted January 7, 2016 Share #4 Posted January 7, 2016 I have the 3.4/135 APO-Telyt and it is indeed a fantastic lens. The previous non-APO 135mm is only a little behind it in IQ and is much cheaper. Unless you need a 180mm I think you would better getting a 135 M-lens. It is more compact and lighter, can be used without the EVF, and as ICT wrote it focuses much closer. I already had an 3.4/135 APO-Telyt-M, considered a 3.4/180 APO-Telyt-R as a longer lens but in the end decided upon a 4.0/80-200 Vario-Elmar-R. There zoom lens is only a little more expensive and bulky and heavy but much more versatile even on an M240 (there is a thread here in the forum discussing exactly this). I agree with ICT - get a 135mm lens first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted January 7, 2016 Share #5 Posted January 7, 2016 The 135 isn't the easiest ....a 135 M-lens.... is more compact and lighter, can be used without the EVF Unless you're well practiced with the 135, the EVF is a must (despite how crappy it is). Not an easy FL to use a RF. Tough enough with a 90. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted January 7, 2016 Share #6 Posted January 7, 2016 The 135 isn't the easiest Unless you're well practiced with the 135, the EVF is a must (despite how crappy it is). Not an easy FL to use a RF. Tough enough with a 90. Magnifier is the answer. 180 is designed for distance. 135 most likely better under 20 feet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest )-( Posted January 8, 2016 Share #7 Posted January 8, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've had the 180/3.4 APO and agree with comments on its handling, greenish tinge and infinity performance. I only used it on an Sony a7R, I wouldn't fancy it at all on the inferior M240 EVF unless it was on a tripod. It was clumsy with an adapter/digital screen but workable, I used it for birds/surfers with some success but not a little shutter gunning too. I haven't used a 135mm on rangefinder but find 90mm a total breeze, and others report great success with 135mm. Calibration is probably the key given the reduced tolerances involved. I too say to stay the course and go for the 135 APO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 8, 2016 Share #8 Posted January 8, 2016 The APO 180 is a doddle to focus with the 240 EVF, which functions better the longer the lens is. I had it but sold it in favour of the 80-200 4.0 R, that being a more versatile lens. In fact, I did that twice, once a decade and a half ago and once a year ago. For an M camera the 135 is maybe the better choice. It is the (even) better lens and can be focused both ways. As a lens, the Apo-Telyt 135 is a bit of overkill IMO. To show the difference over the Tele-Elmar M you will need impeccable technique and a tripod, and even then only wide open. In daily use both are equally good - but vastly different in price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted January 8, 2016 Share #9 Posted January 8, 2016 For an M camera the 135 is maybe the better choice. It is the (even) better lens and can be focused both ways. Indeed! As a lens, the Apo-Telyt 135 is a bit of overkill IMO. To show the difference over the Tele-Elmar M you will need impeccable technique and a tripod, and even then only wide open. In daily use both are equally good - but vastly different in price. Yes, but I got it at a too-good-to-refuse price. Focusing wide open short of infinity is indeed challenging and the lens is unforgiving in this situation - here the EVF is useful. However, stopped down in good light it's a breeze to use at all distances. I do not use a magnifier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted January 8, 2016 Share #10 Posted January 8, 2016 One other consideration is what other lenses does the OP alread have? It they have a 90mm then a 180mm is a good option. For me, I went for the 75mm and 135mm and skipped the 90mm. So if I had a 90mm then I would look at the 180mm and not go for the 135mm. By the way Jaapv, what is the 180/3.4 APO like in the 3m to 10m range? A lot of reports say it is great for distance but not so up close, while others say it is still good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
105012 Posted January 8, 2016 Share #11 Posted January 8, 2016 I have just processed my first roll of Kodak Ektar (ISO 100) shot with the 135mm APO-Telyt-M on an M3. I am pleased to say that as a complete beginner with this lens every shot is crisply in focus and the colours are superb! Very happy I don't have any experience with the 180mm 3.4 APO-Telyt-R, though it receives strong praise from Mr Erwin Puts. If you need the extra scale of the 180mm (3.6x versus 2.7x) then that would be the determining factor? The 135mm APO-Telyt is compact and at 450g feels well balanced on an M3 which is important to give one confidence. I love this focal length, on that roll I used it for head and shoulders portraits, 'macro' shots at f3.4 (test pictures such as Christmas decorations, flora) and landscapes (vineyards + mountains). I mainly used shutter speeds of 1/125 or 1/250. My only criticism of the 135mm lens would be the Leica RAS (Random Aperture Syndrome ) as you take it from your bag due to a too easy to turn aperture ring. Why can't the aperture ring be as good as my 2.5/50 Summarit or my CV 3.5/28 or my 2.8/90 Tele-Elmarit (thin)?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinyuill Posted January 8, 2016 Author Share #12 Posted January 8, 2016 Thanks for all the responses. Seem the choice has been made for me. Telyt has gone so back to saving for the 135 apo but will try to get a comparison trial of Apo and Tele Elmar M before I buy. As pointed out, there is a big price difference. Regards to all. Robin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted January 9, 2016 Share #13 Posted January 9, 2016 I have the 3.4/135 APO Telyt and I love this lens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlinman Posted January 9, 2016 Share #14 Posted January 9, 2016 I have both lenses and had the Tele-Elmar. I agree with most if the points above, but I like both. I normally take the 135 with my 75lux and the 180 with the 90. The TE us also fine, but I like the Apo more. Handling and focussing with the EVF is easier. One problem of the 180 is the unusual filter of many samples (Serie 7.5). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted January 9, 2016 Share #15 Posted January 9, 2016 One problem of the 180 is the unusual filter of many samples (Serie 7.5). There is a way of fitting 49mm filters into the series VII filter lens. Take off the filter retaining ring attachement (which hopefully is still with the lens) and put the 49mm filter onto the lens but facing backwards, with the thread facing forwards. Now screw the retaining ring back onto the lens over the filter, and it should hold the 49mm filter securely in place without any rattles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlinman Posted January 10, 2016 Share #16 Posted January 10, 2016 There is a way of fitting 49mm filters into the series VII filter lens. Take off the filter retaining ring attachement (which hopefully is still with the lens) and put the 49mm filter onto the lens but facing backwards, with the thread facing forwards. Now screw the retaining ring back onto the lens over the filter, and it should hold the 49mm filter securely in place without any rattles.Is this only for Series VII or is this also working for 7.5 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 10, 2016 Share #17 Posted January 10, 2016 One other consideration is what other lenses does the OP alread have? It they have a 90mm then a 180mm is a good option. For me, I went for the 75mm and 135mm and skipped the 90mm. So if I had a 90mm then I would look at the 180mm and not go for the 135mm. By the way Jaapv, what is the 180/3.4 APO like in the 3m to 10m range? A lot of reports say it is great for distance but not so up close, while others say it is still good. In my experience still good, although it is undoubtedly optimized for infinity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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