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Jared
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I never got the chance to use my 50mm Summilux-M on the SL since I sold it to help fund the purchase of the SL.  However, I can speak to the 50mm Summicron-M APO and SL combination.  They work extreme

ishrathrajab
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The 50 Apo on the Sl is absolute magic . IMHO the size is perfect ,focusing is easy especially with the movable focus spot and the results excellent . Attached are a few photos .     Sent from my i

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Hi John,   For what it is worth: I find the handling of the SL+50APO combo unproblematic. As you allude to, others might feel it differently, possibly based on the size of the hand/length of the fin

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steppenw0lf

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First it is too early. And second what does it matter, as both are on an extremely high level.

The Apo50 has a problem with flaring (at least it was shown in a few photos), while the new Summilux-SL does not, as far as we know.

And as far as I know the flaring problem was addressed by Leica (but maybe not completely eliminated).

 

If you believe marketing, then the new lens will be better than any other 50mm lens. But if you like the old Apo50 this should not matter at all.

 

Why worry, simply buy both...       :p  :D

 

The main difference is the size and AF capability - and besides that almost nothing is important. (The Apo50 is even slightly smaller than the Summilx-M 50 shown here on the M9. And the SL 50 is even bigger with the lens shade added.)   :)

 

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Have you had a look at Sean Reids site ? He will write about the new SL 50 - probably has already.

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not completely correct ...... the initial release of the 50/2 (which anecdotally seems to be <<100 lenses) had flaring and production was stopped for 6 months.

 

additional interior blacking was done and some lens coatings changed. those that wished to had their lenses modified. 

 

since the new production run I have heard no reports of the original flaring issue.

 

I have one of the first when production re-started and it is faultless...... and I am not sure how perfection can be perfected .......

 

The original Leica interviews indicated an enhanced 3d effect due to DOF profile changes and fuller correction of what minimal aberrations remain for the 50/1.4 AF .... although how you are going to notice this beats me. 

 

Almost all Leica lenses currently exceed the capabilities of the mug behind the viewfinder ..... which I am afraid is the one factor Leica cannot exert much influence on. 

 

Give me the very best Leica can produce and I still guarantee 98% of my photos will be rubbish and littered with technical and compositional faults ........  :unsure:

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http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/229033-apo-50-images/page-30?do=findComment&comment=3088675

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/229033-apo-50-images/page-32?do=findComment&comment=3101199

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/229033-apo-50-images/page-34?do=findComment&comment=3127602

 

Sometimes photos are fine even though the lens has problems. To me it looks like flaring ....   any other/better explanation ?  (OK. The third could be because of dirty windows. Yes, it probably is.)       :)

And the second is my favorite. (no joke).

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Typically other factors are much more important than the extraordinary quality of the lens:

Here more or less the same scene, once with the apo50 (A) und then with the Macro Elmarit-R 60 (B ) (a terribly old and cheap lens)   B)

I think most will agree that B is clearly better.    :D  :D

A:  http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/229033-apo-50-images/page-36?do=findComment&comment=3148805

B:  https://rheker.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/35macroelmaritlondon007.jpg  

( from https://rheker.wordpress.com/2010/10/18/die-untoten-sind-da-oder-leica-r-lebt/ )

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Dr. G

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Sorry to bring up such an old thread, but are people still happy with the APO 50 on the SL?  I just changed my order from the M10 to the SL after handling both cameras and I currently have the APO.  I was going to sell it to buy the 50 Summilux-SL but now, after reading this thread, I'm not so sure.  My other travel camera is the Q, so I think the SL with the APO will give me the same shooting experience.  Any thoughts?

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Sorry to bring up such an old thread, but are people still happy with the APO 50 on the SL?  I just changed my order from the M10 to the SL after handling both cameras and I currently have the APO.  I was going to sell it to buy the 50 Summilux-SL but now, after reading this thread, I'm not so sure.  My other travel camera is the Q, so I think the SL with the APO will give me the same shooting experience.  Any thoughts?

I may be warming up just a little to the aesthetics of the 50-SL but really your decision is most likely to be drive by how you feel about the size and weight of the thing. It is huge and very heavy. It will feel as big, bulky and heavy as a regular pro size DSLR. T

hat's not a reason not to buy it, but it's either something you will be OK with or you won't.

 

Put it like this, it's not possible to shoot one handed with it. I'm not suggesting you'd want to do that, but it gives you an idea of how heavy the thing is.

 

That said it's well balanced in the hand when you're using two of them.and of course it's 'weather resistant'.

 

Again, ignoring my well documented and self acknowldeged dislike of the way the 50SL renders, the real question is whether you want a large apeture auto focus 50mm lens versus an f/2 manual focus lens. I love manual focus because I like the way it makes me work but that's just me and I'd be lying if I said I didn't sometimes hanker for the ease of AF. I use a 50 M Summilux on my SL btw.

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I'd give it a go first and see what you think. There will be little observable difference in image quality.

 

Manual focussing should be fast and accurate ..... even without focus peaking or magnification.

 

The 50 L is a lot of lens to carry about for the imperceptible image benefits ......... you are really just getting AF for all that extra weight and size. 

 

The 50L is an exceptional lens for portraits or specific projects ....... but is not really a carry about everyday general lens. 

 

Also bear in mind it is the same size and weight as the 24-90 zoom ..... which is cheaper, more flexible, has OIS and produces images of exceptional quality throughout the range.

 

If you want painless, reliable, hassle free photography, that is what I would get ...... if you find the SL + 50/2 APO doesn't suit. 

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Dr. G

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I would hang on to 50 APO... at least for now.

 

See how you like it on the SL.

 

I have the Sl and Q like you do...

 

Love the Q, and the SL.

 

 Which lenses do you use with the SL?  I'm also thinking about picking up the 24-90 SL for when I don't mind carrying a little more weight or for when I'm not walking around much.  I do like to shoot in low light so I'd still need a lens with a wider aperture for that (not so much DOF), so the 24-90 couldn't be my only lens.  

 

BTW, I grew up in Lynbrook - not too far from you.

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The 50 apo is as superb on the SL as it is on the M from an optical standpoint.

I love it on the M. However, I prefer slightly larger lenses on the SL:

My three favorite M lenses on the SL: WATE, 28Lux, 75 Apo Summicron

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The 24-90 and 50 SL lenses are different in many ways. The biggest difference is the SL is faster, and that raises different possibilities.

 

I do find the 24-90 gets the most use, but at the same time I also like using it with the larger M primes (21 Summilux, 28 Summilux, Noct & 75 Summilux). My 50 Summilux-SL arrives next week - if it doesn’t make the cut (compared to the Noct), I will sell it on.

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The 24-90 and 50 SL lenses are different in many ways. The biggest difference is the SL is faster, and that raises different possibilities.

 

I do find the 24-90 gets the most use, but at the same time I also like using it with the larger M primes (21 Summilux, 28 Summilux, Noct & 75 Summilux). My 50 Summilux-SL arrives next week - if it doesn’t make the cut (compared to the Noct), I will sell it on.

 

 

Please keep us posted.

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I love having the 50 SL.

 

I've acclimated to the weight. AF is a tad slower than with the other zooms but I am fine with it for what it can do. I really enjoy having the AF and being lazy. 

 

In low light it can hunt a bit before locking focus, but perhaps that can be overcome by switching to MF in those situations. The AF also works superbly on the TL2.

 

Cupping the lens barrel in one's hand really distributes the weight and it balances quite nicely.

 

FWIW it might be a tad less expensive than the 50 f2 apo and does give you the 1.4 aperture.

 

 

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I love having the 50 SL.

 

I've acclimated to the weight. AF is a tad slower than with the other zooms but I am fine with it for what it can do. I really enjoy having the AF and being lazy. 

 

In low light it can hunt a bit before locking focus, but perhaps that can be overcome by switching to MF in those situations. The AF also works superbly on the TL2.

 

Cupping the lens barrel in one's hand really distributes the weight and it balances quite nicely.

 

FWIW it might be a tad less expensive than the 50 f2 apo and does give you the 1.4 aperture.

 

 

I agree about the price, but I already own the APO.  I put it up for sale with the intention of getting the Summilux-SL, but I'm having second thoughts.

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