jdlaing Posted January 4, 2016 Share #41 Posted January 4, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) And with genuine knowledge comes the ability to share... so I ask again, what 'parts' are different? I'm interested because I am not aware of any changes to the meter... Do you actually have factual knowledge of this... or is it merely conjecture? I think when Leica wants you to know if there were any changes they would tell you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 Hi jdlaing, Take a look here M262 - a few musings after a week of shooting in Florida. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Bill Livingston Posted January 4, 2016 Share #42 Posted January 4, 2016 And have they told you? I suspect a number of people are now becoming quite interested in the 'knowledge' you seem to have acquired... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpwhite Posted January 4, 2016 Share #43 Posted January 4, 2016 Conjecture, experience, knowledge...I'm confused Michael where are you? Personally, I think a full blown conspiracy thread is now indicated. MJH ducked the M 262 question the first time, and he is now in absentia on this thread. Such a contrast with his rapid, wide flow of information when the SL section was opened on the forum. Could it be that those who have knowledge of the actual details of the M 262 are keeping mum because the news would somehow shake the M 240? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedirektor Posted December 10, 2016 Share #44 Posted December 10, 2016 I wonder if I could bring this thread back to life, especially discussion about the metering of the 262 ? I have been surprised by how harsh the metering is. The slightest bit of bright sky or area is exposed for and the whole image in thus underexposed. Now, I was an analogue photographer back in the day so know basic exposure techniques but the 262 does seem very tricky. People on this thread have spoken of maybe Leica adjusting the firmware but nothing yet. How do we know Leica is aware of this issue ? Is it an issue ? Any other 262ers out there finding this ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enboe Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share #45 Posted December 12, 2016 As the originator of the thread, I saw your recent comment and decided to take the 262 to Universal Studios Hollywood today. M typ 262 + 28/2.8/ASPH/II, cloudy weather all but the last hour of the day. Generally, I saw auto-selected shutter speeds one to two stops too high, so I metered off the ground to drop the speed. This gave me files that averaged 1/2 stop under, definitely usable. I would say there is still room for improvement in the firmware/metering subroutines. Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedirektor Posted December 12, 2016 Share #46 Posted December 12, 2016 As the originator of the thread, I saw your recent comment and decided to take the 262 to Universal Studios Hollywood today. M typ 262 + 28/2.8/ASPH/II, cloudy weather all but the last hour of the day. Generally, I saw auto-selected shutter speeds one to two stops too high, so I metered off the ground to drop the speed. This gave me files that averaged 1/2 stop under, definitely usable. I would say there is still room for improvement in the firmware/metering subroutines. Eric Thank you Eric. It's a steep learning curve, getting used to the metering on the 262. What would be the best method to request that Leica take a look at this for the next firmware issue ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedirektor Posted December 12, 2016 Share #47 Posted December 12, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have a M240 and a M262. I am confused by the metering questions raised in this thread. My experience is that the M262 metering is excellent and with proper use, can be relied upon to give spot on exposures - in other words I have absolutely no issues with it. The Leica M meter is not as complex as a DSLR with a matrix multipoint metering system and has to be used with a bit of judgment and practice. With respect, could it be that the reported problems in this thread are maybe down to a bit of user error? All meters rely on converting a scene into shades of grey and are calibrated to read correctly at 18% grey ie. a Kodak grey card. If there is a lot of white or light shades in a scene then the meter of ANY camera will underexpose and conversely if there is a lot of black or dark shades then the meter in ANY camera will tend to overexpose. When metering a scene then you have to take this into account and just open up or close down the aperture to correct it. Typically by one stop either way or in extreme circumstances then two stops. This become intuitive and is almost an automatic action. At the end of the day though it's all subjective because there is more to getting an average of 18% for every scene and this should be viewed as a starting setting to get in the "ball park". Chimp the screen and have a look then adjust for your own artistic interpretation of what you want the picture to look like. Flash exposure is another subjective subject and it's one where you can easily get bogged down in calculations and of distances and guide no's etc. Simple rule - If it looks right and depicts the scene as YOU want it then thats the correct exposure for that subject! The great thing about ALL DNG files from all the digital Leicas is that they are all very malleable and hold up very well in PP. Don't get bogged down worrying about "correct" exposure, just make picture how you want it to look!! Thank you. Very helpful tips. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark II Posted December 17, 2016 Share #48 Posted December 17, 2016 My experience is that the M262 metering is excellent and with proper use, can be relied upon to give spot on exposures - in other words I have absolutely no issues with it. I have an M typ 262 and an M7, and my impression is that the M7 metering is more reliable and accurate. I think that this is in part because the M7 has a much tighter metering pattern (ie more spot-like than averaged). With the M 262 the metering pattern is larger and more elongated, and any sky in the image tends to push the exposure down excessively. Unfortunately, this is is a property of the shutter curtains, so it is not something that can be addressed in firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveNC Posted January 25, 2017 Share #49 Posted January 25, 2017 If it's bright add more light If it's black take some back If it's grey let it stay My palm requires one more stop Two and a half stops from measured is total white or total black With non-matrix practice makes perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonewall Brigade Posted January 26, 2017 Share #50 Posted January 26, 2017 My M262 gives very accurate and reliable meter readings and exposures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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